Is Irelands neutrality stance in WW2 unfairly criticized? (see Mod note 217)

Pausing to reflect, she continues: “In hindsight, I believe that the reason De Valera called to the house was out of friendship. He and my father were personal friends: it wasn’t simply a case of prime minister and diplomat. There was more than that. He visited because he knew my father, and the condolences were to my father because his position [as envoy to Ireland] was finished.”

She would say that, would'nt she, about her father after the war, even though her father was a Nazi member and indeed highest ranking Nazi in Ireland during the war, and one who frequently submitted information to Berlin.

Does she know that high ranking Nazis in the 7 neutral countries Germany invaded during the war had other less highly ranked Nazis choose Jews, gypsies, handicapped, communists etc for the extermination camps?

Its why the Allies wanted to talk to her father after the war, in Nuremburg, along with other similar ranked Nazis, but Dev let him stay gere until the heat had died down in 1949.

The Germans bombed Ireland numerous times during the war. Before the North Strand bombing,

" the Irish identified themselves to the Germans shortly before the North Strand Bombing. Upon noticing the significant number of German planes in their airspace earlier that night, the Irish Army launched warning flares in the colors of the Irish flag to alert them that they were over neutral ground."

"The planes remained, so the Irish fired red flares as a warning for them to clear the airspace. When their warnings were once again ignored, Irish troops began open firing at the aircrafts and the bombs rained down soon after.

It has therefore been speculated that the Nazis bombed the south of Ireland in vengeance or to warn the Irish Government to stop making concessions in its neutrality to benefit the Allies."

It was not cloudy. Lord Haw Haw earlier warned Dublin would be bombed. There was no blackout over Dublin, unlike UK cities. Yet the Germans bombed. Some say in retaliation for us sending fire engines to Belfast during their Blitz not long before.

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The war in Europe was over, or as good as over, when Dev expressed condolences on the death of Hitler.

The Allies wanted "German ambassador" ( what he was known as) Eduard Hempel expelled at the end of WWII to dismantle Nazi Germany's diplomatic presence entirely. The U S and U K pressured neutral Ireland to hand over the German Legation in Dublin and its intelligence archives to the incoming Allied authorities. Why? Throughout the war, Hempel used his diplomatic position to send regular reports to Berlin. Allied intelligence agencies constantly monitored his communications, making the legation a vital window into German espionage.

If you research it, you will see Allied authorities, notably the US, suspected that Hempel's intelligence network was responsible for leaking information on Allied operations, which some alleged contributed to the failure of the 1942 Dieppe Raid. No smoke without fire, some thought. That is why the Allies wanted to question him.

In the final days of the war in 1945, the Allies demanded that all neutral countries close Axis embassies, expel their envoys, and hand over government property to the conquering Allied coalition. Without delay. Of course, Dev refused to hand over Hempel and instead of letting the Americans in to his offices immediately, allowed Hempel a week or 10 days to destroy all evidence.

There was NO extradition request and NO Grant of Asylum and Dev didn’t refuse to extradite.

Those were the lies you told here.

"We went on taking refugees" says you? Ireland too little or no refugees before or during the war. And precious few on a permanent basis after the war either. 

At least you are accepting now that Germany did not respect our neutrality and bombed us more than once during the war. All the more puzzling why Dev expressed condolences for arguably the most evil man in history. The bombing would not have happened if it had not been for Hitler.

Gray persisted with his efforts to discredit De Valera right up to the end of the war. On April 30, 1945, he presented the taoiseach with another formal note, this time requesting permission for the US to seize the German legation in Dublin in order to get hold of German codes in case some U-boats tried to continue the war in the Atlantic. The whole thing was absurd. Who would supply the U-boats? Anyway, the Allies already had the German codes.

Gray was told the Americans could only seize the German legation after Germany formally surrendered.

The taoiseach never tried to defend his actions publicly, but he did explain his reasons to Robert Brennan, the Irish minister in Washington.

“During the whole of the war,” De Valera wrote, “Dr Hempel’s conduct was irreproachable. He was always friendly and invariably correct — in marked contrast with Gray. I certainly was not going to add to his humiliation in the hour of defeat.”

The gesture was an expression of respect for Hempel, not Hitler. But it was a political mistake, because it played into Gray’s hands, bolstering his twisted efforts to convince people that De Valera was secretly sympathetic to the Nazis

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Please note what I wrote:

The Allies wanted "German ambassador" ( what he was known as) Eduard Hempel expelled at the end of WWII to dismantle Nazi Germany's diplomatic presence entirely. The U S and U K pressured neutral Ireland to hand over the German Legation in Dublin and its intelligence archives to the incoming Allied authorities. Why? Throughout the war, Hempel used his diplomatic position to send regular reports to Berlin. Allied intelligence agencies constantly monitored his communications, making the legation a vital window into German espionage.

If you research it, you will see Allied authorities, notably the US, suspected that Hempel's intelligence network was responsible for leaking information on Allied operations, which some alleged contributed to the failure of the 1942 Dieppe Raid. No smoke without fire, some thought. That is why the Allies wanted to question him.

In the final days of the war in 1945, the Allies demanded that all neutral countries close Axis embassies, expel their envoys, and hand over government property to the conquering Allied coalition. Without delay. Of course, Dev refused to hand over Hempel and instead of letting the Americans in to his offices immediately, allowed Hempel a week or 10 days to destroy all evidence.

The above is all true.

If you knew anything about the era or Hempel, you would know that extradition did not legally exist in Ireland in 1945. Although this State inherited British extradition laws, those laws broke down by the late 1920s. For decades, we relied on informal handovers - or not - instead of formal, court-backed procedures.

The Allies were pretty busy will millions of other things to do at the time as well. Without much help from us.

I never used the phrase that Dev was in cahoots with Germany. The FBI confirmed though, that Dev's rep in America would have welcomed a German victory. Its why Roosevelt lectured him about it, before finally losing his temper with him. I gave you the link.

You are writing and not backing up with sources.

Your writing cannot be trusted you have told so many outright mistruths and refuse to separate rumour, anecdote from verified facts.
We closed the German legation when Germany surrendered and collapsed observing neutral diplomatic protocols.

I have given dozens of links, you seldom if ever give any.

I am surprised, you with tens of thousands of posts, did not know

" that extradition did not legally exist in Ireland in 1945. Although this State inherited British extradition laws, those laws broke down by the late 1920s. For decades, we relied on informal handovers - or not - instead of formal, court-backed procedures."

Shows how little you know of that era or Hempel.

Now you are trying to deflect again.

N.B. I gave you the sources before too.

If you research it, you will see Allied authorities, notably the US, suspected that Hempel's intelligence network was responsible for leaking information on Allied operations, which some alleged contributed to the failure of the 1942 Dieppe Raid. No smoke without fire, some thought. That is why the Allies wanted to question him.

There is no proof of this as you were asked to prove it and you didn't.

The story of a spy leaking plans was found to be a rumor stemming from British and Canadian troops being made to watch the movie The Next of Kin.

Much of the belief that the Germans had been forewarned was due to the 1942 film The Next of Kin, which had been made mandatory viewing to British and Canadian forces starting with the film's release in May 1942.[144] The plot of The Next of Kin featured a commando raid into France very much like the Dieppe raid that was sabotaged by a German spy operating in Britain who was able to learn of the raid beforehand due to sloppy security.[144] In the immediate aftermath of the Dieppe raid, many of the Canadian soldiers who survived the raid cited The Next of Kin as evidence that there had been a German spy who learned the secrets of Operation Jubilee

The real reason for the failure of the Dieppe raid was poor planning and Churchill rushing it through to appease Stalin.

So you won’t when asked provide links.
If I ask google about your claim it says there is no verified evidence of this claim, so I suspect it is somebody’s opinion or a rumour given your history here.

The Americans had their intelligence agencies. They knew that Aiken would have welcomed a German victory. The FBI observed him and listened to his speeches during the couple of weeks they made him wait between meetings in America. The Americans also had their suspicions about Dieppe. Because one of the main reasons for Hempel was to relay information to Germany, the Allies could triagulate and intercept radio signals etc. There were of course other means of communication. It was well known that during the war the German Abwehr (military intelligence) heavily relied on neutral Ireland as a transit and communication route. German spies and their handlers used Dublin and the German "Embassy" to funnel intelligence back to Berlin.