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Orange is the new Burke

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    It’s difficult to guess how the thought process would go or even who gets to make his decision for him but surely at this stage the nonsense of it’s still my work place is null so it’s time to move on from that particular piece of theatre and just go legal from here on. Also must definitely feel like ‘well that 2 years in prison was stupid of me’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    They're in far too deep to give any concession now. He'll be back at the school. Will lodge another appeal against his dismissal on a Sunday night, be back at the school Monday morning because he'll consider his dismissal as being under appeal and therefore considers he's still employed.

    At the very least now though, he could be arrested and prosecuted under some form of criminal trespassing without the confusion about whether or not he's still employed at the school (because legally, he isn't).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭scottser


    He has no new grounds for appeal so that door will stay closed. He's unemployable and still owes a couple of hundred grand in fines. He might well emigrate to the states where he'd be well paid to peddle his shite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭adaminho


    And it's official.

    Edit: Seems he also lost in the Court of Appeal today to bring a belated challenge to a 2023 High Court ruling upholding his original dismissal.

    https://www2.courts.ie/acc/alfresco/941fc7f6-81f4-4079-a85f-4674fe3ec7c1/2026_IECA_96.pdf/pdf#view=fitH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Is he now able to appeal to the WRC rather than the DAP through the school though?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭scottser


    Not unless there are new grounds, or the DAP is found to be in breach of its own governance or standards, which it isnt. The WRC are under no obligation to hear him on his current stance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    Either way, I'd say the members of the WRC would rather disband the organisation than have this Burke chaos descend upon them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,196 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Just another chapter in this stupid mess.

    They will just kick up even more of a fuss now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,155 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Yes, but the major difference is that he is sacked now. Payroll stops etc. Appealing does not extend anything.

    WRC can decline to hear it, and we also know what happens when a Burke goes to the WRC - all over quickly after some shouting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,196 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    So does he stay in prison now or is he let out due to being sacked?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2026/05/21/enoch-burke-dismissal-confirmed-by-school-after-conclusion-of-appeals-panel-process/

    It seems he's refusing to accept the decision and insisting he's still an employee of the school.

    No great surprise on either.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,604 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Only conclusion is he likes it in there. Certainly seems determined to stay.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    "Noting Burke’s refusal to give an undertaking not to attend at the school, the judge said the teacher remained in contempt of court and should remain in prison."

    It's good the judge isn't releasing him but what happens now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,588 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    This decision may also enable the Teaching Council of Ireland to take steps to cancel his teachers licence. The below words are from the councils own page on the net.

    The Teaching Council is the regulator of the teaching profession in Ireland. Our role is to protect the public by promoting and regulating professional standards in teaching.

    We do this through the statutory registration of teachers, ensuring a highly qualified teaching profession, whose members meet and uphold high standards of professional competence and conduct.

    Fitness to Teach

    The Teaching Council is responsible for promoting high professional standards in teaching. Any person including members of the public, employers and other teachers may make a complaint about a registered teacher.

    Code of Professional Conduct (Updated 2nd edition 2016)

    Complaints about registered teachers.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,411 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,436 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Batshit crazy old witch. At the end of that video she says 'Regina Doherty signed an agreement to promote sodomy. To sodomize the children of Ireland'. That's **** outrageous. She should be sued for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭chrisd2019




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,604 ✭✭✭✭kneemos




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,922 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,337 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    So now that EB officially DOES NOT work at Wilson's, what would happen if, when he is finally out, he continues to turn up at the school?

    What will he be charged with? Trespassing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭DmanDmythDledge


    He stays there until he purges his contempt. His sacking being confirmed does not change the reason he is in there, nor does it give grounds for his release.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭adaminho


    I was reading the judgement in his court of appeals case today and it seems that it is a permanent injunction against him attending the school. I wonder will they arrange for any of his personal affect's to be collected or will his colleagues raid his locker, might get an out of date Mars bar and a copy of Razzle!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Westernview


    A deranged woman that has destroyed her family. Now trying to undermine democratically elected representatives. She should be locked up in an institution as she is unable to function in society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,032 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    And some people send their children to her private school. Imagine how crazy that is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    There were two unrelated matters in the news today. First was the decision by the DAP that the challenge to his dismissal had failed.

    Secondly the Court of Appeal dismissed his application for a late appeal against the 2023 Hight Court judgement that found he was validly suspended from his job. As is usual for the Court of Appeal, this appeal was heard by a three judge court, in this case the president of the Court of Appeal, Justice Caroline Costello along with Justice Mary Faherty and Justice Teresa Pilkington. The judgment, authored by the president, is a pretty dry 52 page read and tough going. It starts with an interesting table showing a chronology of events and it goes on to look at the grounds for granting a late appeal.

    The summation is pretty damming saying "In my judgement the justice of the case weighs heavily against this application. The Court is required to do justice between the parties and in my view, the only just outcome in all the circumstances is to refuse the application." On the other hand, in relation to the respondent (Wilson's) it says "My provisional view is that the respondent has been wholly successful on this application and is presumptively entitled to the costs of the application" So another big bill to be added to Enoch's tally, assuming that the costs are awarded in line with this and in favour of Wilson's in a few weeks time. The two ordinary Justices concurred with the judgment written by the president.

    The judgment is available here: https://ww2.courts.ie/acc/alfresco/941fc7f6-81f4-4079-a85f-4674fe3ec7c1/2026_IECA_96.pdf/pdf#view=fitH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    This is the table, taken from the Court of Appeal judgment, which I referred to in my previous post. It shows a chronology of events and I thought it might be of interest to some here. It gives a flavour of just how much time this whole miserable saga this has consumed of the lives of those unfortunate enough to have been caught up in Burke's selfish, egoistical and frankly despicable behaviour.

     

     

    May 2022 

    Parents of a pupil at the school and the pupil requested that a change of gender identity be facilitated by addressing the pupil by a new name and the use of the pronoun ‘they’.

    9th May 2022    

    The Principal sent an email to teachers advising of the social transition, of the proposed change of name and mode of reference to this pupil (“the direction” or “the Principal’s direction”).

    10th May 2022 

    The Appellant objected to the email of 9th May 2022 on the basis that it was “wrong that this belief system would be forced upon students . . . [i]t is an abuse of children and their constitutional rights”. The Principal requested the appellant to make an appointment to see her. Staff meeting interrupted by the appellant’s objections to the email of 9th May 2022.

    18th May 2022

    The Principal, Deputy Principal and appellant met, but no mutually acceptable modus operandi was achieved.

    27th May 2022

    Principal sent an email to the appellant reaffirming the direction of 9th May 2022, stating “I expect that you will communicate with this student in accordance with the wishes of the student and the student’s parents”. Appellant replied, indicating that he would not comply with the direction.

    21st June 2022 

    A religious service in the school chapel, where the Church of Ireland Bishop of Kilmore was officiating, was interrupted towards the end by the appellant addressing the congregation in relation to the Principal’s direction. He requested that the Principal withdraw her “demand”. He ignored a request by the school Chaplain to desist, and he was interrupted by the Bishop who concluded the service. Pupils present for the service walked out of the chapel in protest at his remarks. A planned presentation to a retiring House Master did not take place in the chapel but rather was rearranged to take place on the school steps. After a dinner following the service, the appellant twice interrupted the school Principal in an agitated manner while she was socialising with guests . He repeated his request that she withdraw her “demand” or “request.”

    August 2022

    The Principal prepared a report for the respondent, invoking Stage Four of the disciplinary process set out in the Circular. She explained in the report why she considered the appellant’s behaviour should be regarded as gross misconduct within the meaning of the Circular.

    15th August 2022 

    The Principal handed a copy of her report to the Chairman of the respondent. The Chairman read out most of the report at a meeting of the respondent, attended by the Principal. The document was not circulated to other members of the respondent. The appellant was furnished with a copy of the report. The respondent arranged a disciplinary hearing for 14thSeptember 2022. The respondent decided to hold a hearing on 22ndAugust 2022 for the purpose of deciding whether it would place the appellant on paid administrative leave until the disciplinary hearing. The respondent invited the appellant to attend.

    22nd August 2022    

    The meeting of the respondent was attended by the appellant and his sister. The appellant was invited to address them as to why he should not be suspended. He did not do so, though he addressed the meeting for 35 minutes. The respondent terminated the meeting and deliberated on whether the appellant should be suspended. The respondent decided to suspend the appellant.

    24th August 2022

    The respondent notified the appellant in writing of its decision and its reasons for placing him on paid administrative leave.

    25th August 2022

    The appellant attended at the school premises.

    26th August 2022 

    The appellant attended at the school premises. By letter dated 25th August 2022, the appellant was directed not to attend at the school while on administrative leave. The appellant replied, stating that he regarded his suspension to be unreasonable, unjust and unlawful. The respondent wrote, requesting the appellant to confirm in writing

    before 2pm on 29th August 2022 that he would cease to attend the school. If he would not so confirm, then the respondent would apply to court without further notice to him.

    29th August 2022 

    The appellant attended the school premises and did not provide the undertaking sought.

    30th August 2022

    The respondent commenced proceedings against the appellant. The High Court issued an interim injunction restraining the appellant from trespassing on the school premises.

    5th September 2022

    Order committing the appellant to prison for failure to comply with the interim injunction of 30th August 2022.

    7th September 2022

    Interlocutory order (Barrett J) restraining the appellant from attending the school premises or attempting to teach classes or students at the school.

    12th September 2022

    The appellant sought an injunction restraining the disciplinary hearing scheduled for 14th September 2022. The respondent undertook not to proceed on that date.

    21st December 2022

    O’Moore J released the appellant from custody even though he had refused to purge his contempt.

    5th January 2023 

    Appellant attended at the school.

    6th January 2023 

    Appellant attended at the school.

    17th January 2023 

    Second motion seeking the attachment and committal of the appellant. O’Moore J held that the appellant was in breach of the order and should be fined €700 for every day or part of the day that passes until he purges his contempt or until the relevant part of the order of Barrett J is vacated.

    19th January 2023 

    Dignam J refused the appellant’s application for an interim injunction restraining the respondent from holding a disciplinary meeting. Disciplinary hearing was heard. The appellant was dismissed from his employment by the respondent with effect from 21st April 2023.

    2nd February 2023 

    The appellant appealed the decision to the Disciplinary Appeals Panel.

    16th February 2023

    The appellant’s appeal of a number of orders of the High Court, including the interlocutory injunction granted by Barrett J, was heard.

    7th March 2023 

    The Court of Appeal dismissed the appeal.

    28th– 31st March 2023

    Plenary trial of these proceedings before Owens J.

    19th May 2023 

    Judgment of Owens J.

    23rd August 2023

    Order perfected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,588 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The decision by the DAP raises two funding points. As his sacking by WHS has now been officially confirmed that should mean the Dept of Education [any day now] will [begin the work to] terminate paying his teachers salary. That, presumably, means more proceedings to erase [as unrecoverable] the contempt fines awarded against him along with any legal costs he has caused to arise for 1: Wilsons Hospital School, AND 2: the State. Hopefully it'll leave him destitute and without funding from the state of any kind, escept for prisoners allowance. I can't see him suddenly recanting on his religious beliefs now and assuring the courts that he will not be traspassing at WHS if he is released from prison.

    Ta Hibernicis for the Court of Appeal PDF:

    May 2022 Parents of a pupil at the school and the pupil requested that a change
    of gender identity be facilitated by addressing the pupil by a new name
    and the use of the pronoun ‘they’.

    10th May 2022 The Appellant objected to the email of 9th May 2022 on the basis that
    it was
    “wrong that this belief system would be forced upon students . . . [i]t is
    an abuse of children and their constitutional rights”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    The goalposts may move and the ante may be upped. Now that he definitively has no connection to the school, his unwanted presence on school property may cross the line into criminal trespass which is a whole different ball of wax. So he could end up in jail for that, rather than contempt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,968 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    wrong that this belief system would be forced upon students 

    Yet his entire family want their belief system imposed on everyone in society.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,968 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    He'd have to be let out first, and the court no longer appears minded to do so while he remains in contempt. This is the stance which should have been taken all along.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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