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Here we go again. Hantavirus

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭crusd


    Where are no doubt similar tweets for every virus and every year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭crusd


    I fond the most insufferable post s you find on this and other sites are the "here we go again" comments on every mention of any virus anywhere. Usually immediately followed by "plandemic" "jibby-jabs" and the like



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    I am not really seeing anyone here saying this will become a worldwide epidemic .. that seems to be the preserve of certain rag media trying to scare up something that isnt off the back of recent memory ie the recent Covid pandemic.

    the title of this thread isnt helping either - "Here we go again". Would start another Ebola thread but i dont think mods would approve??

    As I mentioned previously here a few posts back - another reason it is low is that it kills the host too fast which curtails its ability to spread.

    i just see the interest in it in that it is a new variant it seems, called the Bundibugyo ebolavirus. I think they have some sort of vaccine for other variants of Ebola but not this??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Watch this video. It is concerning for a number of real factors. The dismantle of USAID is a big one. As per the contributer - they were the first line of defence to spot outbreaks like this, doing so in a 48hr timeframe or so. But now because they are gone we are apparently weeks behind. Similarly with the CDCs effectiveness lessened and US out of WHO, does not help matters.

    Another concerning issue is the faster spread of this new strain Vs the existing Zhaaire strain. Former has no vaccine and seems to spread faster. Of concern is the amount of healthcare workers getting infected and dying.

    Then we have the World cup in a month or so attracting huge numbers of people from across the world. The contributor fears this could be a super spreader event if we don't get on top of this now.

    They have not found patient zero of this new strain. Contact tracing is lacking

    Worth a look ..



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Based on your description it is not worth a look. The World Cup is not going to be a "superspreader" event for ebola - that just completely mischaracterises what Ebola is and how it is spread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Didn't you say yourself that it kills people very fast and therefore the ability of it to spread is curtailed? I dont think many people with active ebola infections are going to be well enough to fly to America and attend football matches while hemorrhaging to death. Also, its spread by contact with bodily fluids, its not airborne.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Depends on how you might define superspreader event. The point they were making, from what I understand, is with all the funding cuts we have seen like USAID, to ngos in regions like this etc and the UK has cut funding too .. Ir has done huge damage to our first line of defense. Where before this out break would have been acted on in 48 hours, now we are behind weeks. Its already spreading to neighbouring countries because no effective contact tracing in these weeks lost.

    This guy in the vid is a virologist. His point is we have the WC coming up shortly and we really need to be on top of this before then. People are catching this new strain of ebola faster but no symptoms for a longer period but still spreading it in the meantime. Worry is, with such a big event like this and lots of close contact with guards down .. this ebola could spread at this event if people not found due to inadequate contact tracing caused by whats outlined above. Relatively, it could become a spreading event for this ebola.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Yes I did. That is true relatively, when you get very sick with it. But it seems this new strain has added a few more twists like longer incubation period. They dont know much about this strain because as described above, they are behind the eight ball due to these huge funding cuts and dismantling of on the ground expertise and infrastructure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    People are catching this new strain of ebola faster but no symptoms for a longer period but still spreading it in the meantime.

    Ebola is only spread when a person is showing symptoms. It isn't contagious during the incubation period and again, requires contact with infected bodily fluids, something that doesn't lend itself to spreading like wildfire. Unless this guy somehow knows something about this outbreak that no one else does, I'm gonna write it off as fearmongering nonsense. There's been loads of ebola outbreaks over the past several years and they all fizzled out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Good spot ..

    "Incubation Period: The incubation timeline for the Bundibugyo strain typically spans from 2 to 21 days, with most people developing symptoms between 4 to 10 days post-exposure. Throughout this window, an asymptomatic person cannot pass the virus to others."

    But maybe he is talking about 21 days, even 10 days incubating without knowing is enough that people could travel in that time?

    Also it seems they are fully NOT on top of all the things this Bundibugyo strain could hit us with.

    WHO is concerned, as are many professionals by the sound of it. It seems to be based around the USAID and US funding cuts plus lack of personel & expertise on the ground. It seems to matter alot that WHO etc didnt catch this outbreak for weeks and that effective contact tracing is not in place for that time



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Nobody with Ebola is going to be flying in from the Congo for the World Cup. His point on cuts to USAID are valid, but the bit about the WC being a superspreader event (or having any relevance at all) is either an attempt at making a political point or just classic fearmongering



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    One of the worst things about the awful way media reports in this stuff is that when the next actually meaningful disaster is unfolding , many won’t believe it.

    I had looked up some basic information myself in hanta (been through the Ebola rabbit hole before) and coupled with having a philosophical discussion on ChatGBT (“why is this being reported in Europe so much when it’s not really a threat to anyone there”), I was able to make an objective conclusion.

    The old “paper doesn’t refuse ink phrase comes to mind. There’s also zero joined thinking now, theres negative impact to constantly pushing warnings in ares that wont be affected by these things.

    it’s a shame people aren’t encouraged to learn how to think critically in school. The cynic in me thinks it’s intentional, hard to see otherwise , how is learning a language you will never use more important then having to think for yourself and objectively (not subjectively) try to come to a reasonable position when faced with many different mediums with different levels of reliability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Whatever about hantavirus .. Other than scaremongering which no doubt is happening .. I think most of it is FEAR ( even if irrational ), even from the likes of WHO. This fear is multiplied by those things I mention above. I dont think many of us realised how much work was being done and funded by the US and the USAID. Trump and co ( Doge ) cutting this completely would seem to have caused a massive amount of damage thats beginning to become apparent now with this new Ebola strain outbreak.

    I was struck by that video above and many others I watched recently where USAID and then individual aid, cut by many countries, has decimated many NGO's also. These NGO's and USAID were always there on the ground ( taken for granted? ), they were the actual frontline. Maybe we did not think that one of there jobs was being the frontline for the world against outbreaks like this.

    What sticks with me from watching these vids and news items is that this Ebola breakout would have been spotted within 48 hours if USAID etc were on the ground, but without them it was weeks before it filtered through this was happening. This in the world of viral infection and disease is a huge thing. TIME is so important. And what did not happen was the contact tracing, again very important as we all know.

    Where Ebola is concerned Vs other outbreaks is for one reason or another more frightening. Maybe its the movies that appeared - OUTBREAK ( 1995 ), CONTAGION ( 2002 ) - which imprinted on peoples minds, frightened the hell out of people, both about Ebola. And now we have an outbreak which is different. Its a new strain with different "features". We dont have the on the ground agencies that we did have - which is huge, I think. We currently dont have a vaccine for this current variant. This outbreak was in the wild alot longer than others before becoming evident to the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,973 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    it’s a shame people aren’t encouraged to learn how to think critically in school.

    Couldn't be having that, we spend hours a week doing the exact opposite - trying to cram religion into kids' heads instead.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    It's not a new strain. It was first identified almost 20 years ago and actually has a lower case fatality rate than other strains



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Maybe I should have used the word Variant and not strain so? It is a new variant called Bundibugyo??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    It's not a new variant either. It's a known strain of ebola that was first was identified in 2007 in Uganda, thats where the name comes from. All this information is readily available by a cursory Google search.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    I read in an article that blood and vomit are how Ebola spreads so it is incredibly difficult to pass on…and yet the Deutsche Welt (German national media, not state media but generally a bit left and a major media outlet) has plastered on its homepage a few stories about Ebola right now. Irish media paid articles have obviously been cut for Ebola and budgets only covered Hantavirus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I've just glanced at DW, their entire focus in relation to Ebola is in relation to Africa. Not seeing anything inappropriate or extreme about the reporting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,973 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,973 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    More than a bit cúntish of the US to deny the aircraft landing in the US, forcing Canada to do so instead, but that's the current administration all over.

    Sounds like a ridiculous overreaction anyway, east Africa is a very big place and there's no evidence the passenger was exposed to anything

    Imagine being denied entry into the US because you'd visited Norway while an outbreak of something was ongoing in Spain

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭adaminho


    If the Hanta outbreak had occurred on a merchant ship staffed by local seamen we would never even of heard of it. Rich White people on a cruise get sick = clicks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    Ah, “get a grip”; the deflection of the pearl clutcher. You must have been on that Air France flight hiding in the jacks.

    We established this already that the media print what gets clicks. The hantavirus articles started furiously appearing across major western publications literally the same week that a global pandemic treaty deadline was missed.

    Global consultancies on the payroll of wealthy businesses seeking to benefit from the pandemic treaty probably had a budget to run a media campaign to put pressure on the bodies responsible for negotiating this treaty. Not a conspiracy at all, just basic business interests and still doesn’t mean hantavirus or ebola strains both around for decades are anything to worry about for 99% of the world’s population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    I didn’t say the articles were extreme; moreso the fact they have two dedicated sections on the homepage, one for the Iran War and one for Ebola (which was Hantavirus last week) is definitely over the top.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    When Zika virus was a thing, there was lots of coverage of it and the same happened for previous Ebola outbreaks. Their coverage of it seems entirely reasonable. Similarly the majority of the coverage on hantavirus were not selling it as a major global catastrophe.

    I'd also say that we're seeing the consequences of USAID cuts that are resulting in outbreaks being worse than they should be, that IMHO is a major news story that both DW and the NYT have picked up on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    sorry, you genuinely think the media don’t get paid to publish articles? That is naive at best.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Who is paying them to publish a pretty factual article about the flight being diverted to Canada?



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