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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Again, nothing but whataboutery and deflection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Would you donate your full salary to the people made unemployed by your boycott?

    After all, many families have to deal with unexpected income loss, and they do just that, they deal with it, in various ways. I am sure your family would be satisfied enough with your explanation that you did it all for Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Celtic would not be allowed play Ireland in a match if Ireland have been banned from international competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Why is there this determined insistence that posters must define themselves in respect of genocide in Gaza in order to be able to comment on a football match?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Deflection and whataboutery is the prime Israelis shills tactics.

    You do it across every thread if someone dare mentions your beloved Israel, you're not a serious poster and don't deserve to be treated as such.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    "beloved Israel", is that the level of namecalling you are reduced to?

    I have never expressed a single word of support for Israel.

    I have criticised the Irish obsession with Gaza, the failure to criticise much of the Middle East, the support of Iran, the ignoring of Sudan and other conflicts where the genocide label is clearly appropriate, etc.

    https://sluggerotoole.com/2025/12/03/beyond-the-flag-is-irish-nationalisms-obsession-with-israel-actually-antisemitism/

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/brenda-power-forget-eurovision-when-it-comes-to-a-crazed-obsession-with-israel-ireland-always-scores-douze-points/a1586016937.html

    I am not the only one to be calling out this unbalanced commentary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,381 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    So this is what the "boycott" has been reduced too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    That post doesn't even make sense.

    I just refuse to engage with disingenuous posters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    I think Celtic could play Ireland in Dublin, if the FAI sanctioned the game as Fifa/UEFA bans only apply to official competitions. Russia have been playing friendlies the last 4 years.

    A game in Scotland would have to be sanctioned by the Scottish FA. I dont think they would.

    I also doubt the Celtic board would run with it. There may be a lot of pro Palestinian Celtic fans but what the fans think, and the board think, are poles apart going by recent events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    The Russian FA has never boycotted fuxtures. The penalties on Ireland will be higher if it deliberately boycotts.

    Dont get this obsession with friendlies between Celtic and Ireland. Its nuts.

    The Irish Government has said that the games should go ahead. And it will be facilitating the home fixture. With this in miind, will many of the posters on this thread be boycotting their Irish Government social welfare payments?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,741 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Your comment about Sudan begs the following question:

    Do you think the genocide label is also clearly appropriate in Gaza? Also i wonder do you and Brenda have the same complaint about people who have been fixated on Russia? Have you pondered why these people are forgetting about Sudan and other conflicts. Could it simply be there is not as much discussion about Sudan because neither of the parties to that conflict are being funded and backed by a major western power as they commit their crimes against humanity. In the last thread i recall about Sudan, the op of that thread kept talking about Israel for some reason, but then lost interest when told to keep on topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Because the focal point of the conversation is what is happening in Gaza. Israel's actions there (and subsequent secondary actions) have been the primary current affairs talking point on the planet for the last 2.5 years.

    It's being entirely disingenuous to try to separate that topic from this conversation when this conversation is only happening because of that topic.

    And with respect to that topic, we've seen all sorts of people interject in various ways over the last few years in an effort to stifle and undermine those who are trying to advocate on behalf of the Palestinians.

    Accusations of antisemitism, social justice warrioring, doing it for attention, not understanding the topic etc etc have all been used (on here) and beyond by people trying to shut down the Palestinian advocacy. That is a fact. All attempts to silence advocacy for Palestine as Israel continues to subjugate and kill them.

    It is understandable that people are asked to speak on the topic when they are going to such efforts to ensure the argument against the game being boycotted is made loudly and forcefully. Particularly when some of the people involved claim they are arguing in a particular way on here because of their love for Irish football while they argue broadly in line with Israeli supporting positions on other threads on Boards.

    If this was a thread about say Mason Greenwood, it would be entirely reasonable and expected that people would be asked about their thoughts on abusive relationships. This is a thread specifically set up to discuss all context around the games with Israel, hence it is in this forum, and not the football one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're presuming that Ireland would be banned from international competition. That is only a threat at this point. There is no instance (that I'm aware of) where a country was banned in the manner it is being suggested as fact would happen with respect to Ireland.

    I think it is much more likely that if Ireland refused to play, and UEFA actually moved to ban them, other teams would also refuse to play in support of unfair enforcement of the law by UEFA.

    If that were to happen, Ireland could play another team that had stepped out or had been banned by UEFA.

    I'm not saying all of this would happen, I'm saying we don't know what definitely would happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Ita amazing how you want to disregard the "we dont know what would happen" on sanctions/punishments of an FAI led boycott but at the same time you previously posted about the "potential of sanctions against israel" outcome of a boycott which is every bit as an unknown. You cannot have it both ways.

    National teams have been banned in the past, the biggest reason has been government/state interference in FA affairs. Hence the Irish Government are not going to interfere with this.

    What we do know, based on statements by the CEO Dave Courell is that there would be significant consequences for the FAI and Irish football if they did boycott the two games. He is not saying that for the sake of it.

    What we also know is failure to fulfil fixtures will result in major loss of revenue. Home games = ticket and other income. Away games are part of the TV deal. Which is a significant issue for the FAI. As previously explained to you, Uefa Pay the bills.

    Its also whataboutery to suggest others would support the FAI if they did boycott the games and UEFA sanctioned them. Where was this support last year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The Eurovision is over and history will remember the boycott, because of Israel, much more than it will remember the songs and performers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    I think history will remember Bulgaria won it, for the first time ever and Israel came 2nd. The record books remember the result, not the background noise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Ita amazing how you want to disregard the "we dont know what would happen" on sanctions/punishments of an FAI led boycott but at the same time you previously posted about the "potential of sanctions against israel" outcome of a boycott which is every bit as an unknown. You cannot have it both ways.

    You've said it yourself, I've posted about "potential" sanctions, I'm countering posts that are being written as if they are fact.

    National teams have been banned in the past, the biggest reason has been government/state interference in FA affairs. Hence the Irish Government are not going to interfere with this.

    I've never suggested the Irish government get involved in this in any way that would cause the FAI to be banned. Don't know what point you're trying to make here.

    What we do know, based on statements by the CEO Dave Courell is that there would be significant consequences for the FAI and Irish football if they did boycott the two games. He is not saying that for the sake of it.

    He is saying it because it allows him to hold his hands up, nothing he can do, etc. And I don't necessarily blame him. I get it, he has a job to do. But that doesn't mean I immediately take his word for it. Time and again we see people in various roles say nothing can be done, but next thing you know, something is done.

    What we also know is failure to fulfil fixtures will result in major loss of revenue. Home games = ticket and other income. Away games are part of the TV deal. Which is a significant issue for the FAI. As previously explained to you, Uefa Pay the bills.

    I've already suggested an alternative to make up for the shortfall in income. You disagree, that's fine, I'm not bothered. But you can keep repeating the same message over and over, it's not going to change my mind. A, I think the loss of income could be mitigated and overcome and B we're talking about a genocidal warmongering state here.

    You know the phrase "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"? I'm not for a second talking like whether or not the game goes ahead is the deciding factor in the fate of the Palestinians, but every time a country engages with Israel in a way that allows them to be portrayed as a normal acting country on the world stage, it involves people who would want to be seen as good, choosing to not act in that way. That was the case in the rise of Nazism, and it is still the case now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Sometimes I wonder if some of the posters on this thread realise this is an Irish site. Seems to be a lot of strong affiliation with overseas countries. Most Irish people dont support Palestine or Israel, they support Ireland and the Irish team. I also believe that most Irish people support peace rather than one or other of two sides who seem consumed by hatred of the other. Advocate for peace, not conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems that there overriding reaction was pure relief that Israel did not win. And that includes the EBU.

    That is what will be remembered.

    And if Israel is banned by UEFA/FIFA, it will also be remembered for a long time - that Genocide should not be rewarded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The FAI accounts are factual. That's pretty definitive. Its widely known the FAI have had some serious financial difficulties and have made a significant number of people redundant in the past 7-10 years (including two months ago) as they fought to remain solvent and keep the the organisation afloat.

    The point i was making about FA being banned previously was to emphasise that the government cannot interfere in the Ireland v Israel game in a negative way.

    You haven't provided an alternative to the loss of revenue. Not a single person has come out and backed up your idea as having any semblance of reality about it. Anyone who has commented on it have told you its total rubbish and have provided a multitude of reasons why its a rubbish idea that doesn't work but you choose to ignore them because it doesn't suit your argument.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The history books won't record feelings, just the result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Not really, three countries rejoined Eurovision, nearly offsetting the five who boycotted.

    The Irish people will remember the boycott and they will look back at wonder why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Indeed - history books are great. I was just reading some about a Genocide that happened about 80 years ago. Funnily enough though, there was a lot of emotional testimony recorded. So that punctures your assertion I guess.

    Bit like the history books recording the power of the Dunne's Stores employees boycotting SA of course.

    FAI need the support to force EUFA and FIFA to implement their own rules and ban Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    That support for the FAI was so overwhelming last November when they brought the motion to ban Israel to UEFA. So powerful that Israel got banned by UEFA and FIFA? Oh no wait, nobody said a word.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Keep dreaming about it.

    You think there is this hidden groundswell of support for Hamas out there, there simply isn't. Neither is there the visceral hatred for Israel constantly on display on Irish social media. Most countries and people outside of Ireland view this from a more neutral position. That is why only five countries boycotted the Eurovision and three more rejoined it.

    There is zero chance of other countries refusing to play in support of unfair enforcement of the law by UEFA. There is zero chance of other FAs being stupid enough not to fulfil a fixture.

    If we don't fulfil the fixture, we will lose UEFA money, we will lose TV money, either the FAI go bankrupt or the Government step in to run the FAI. In either of those two cases, we will be banned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    This thread is about football so the best way to answer your question is to say that I think that the FAI should not organise a friendly with either Sudan or Israel or Qatar for that matter. If we are drawn against any of them in a competition, we are bound by the rules to fulfil the matches.

    Other countries we should not play a friendly against include Belarus, North Korea, Iran, Saudi, etc.

    What other countries do you think Ireland should boycott matches against? Have you a singular focus on Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    And it took quite a few years for those lads 80 years ago to face justice in The Hague.

    But you sound positively joyful that the FAI failed - is that the sound of your support for Israel I hear leaking out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Think you need to visit chime to get your hearing checked. Otherwise go back to your Ann and Barry bedtime stories.

    The FAI did their bit. Nobody else wanted to know. Now we dont know why, but i would suggest its a combination of reasons including, but not limited to...

    1. Money, UEFA Pay the bills

    2. Most FA simply dont care about getting involved in issues which are beyond their remit

    At the end of the day the FAI have exhausted the only real avenue open to them and they have to move on now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You think there is this hidden groundswell of support for Hamas out there.

    Careful kid, you're showing your true colours a bit there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'd say its time you realized its a big world out there and people have both visited and lived in kt and realize that things that happen in kne place can resonate and affect people in other locations.

    Question for you, do you think that people are more motivated by their dismay at seeing the death and destruction in Gaza, or by a hatred of Israel?



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