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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    The presenter salaries are bad enough, but they deflect from the obscene salaries being paid to RTE management. Posts such as the CFO are being paid multiples of the salary that equivalents earn in e.g. the civil service.

    My guess is that if you advertised all the senior executive jobs at standard civil service salaries, you'd get multiple strong candidates for each job.

    Like the presenters salaries, its not as if we're getting any VFM - RTE hasnt been well run on the obscene salaries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ staff are now only noticing that George Lee and Darragh Moloney are in the top ten. See RTÉ staff are more annoied now because all of this is being noticed, never once over the last 25 years did you hear any of this from them.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-feel-like-fools-unhappy-rte-staff-demand-showdown-with-management-over-pay-scandal/a714160523.html

    Why is George Lee on the list of top earners as a correspondent when others news correspondent aren’t?

    Why is Darragh Moloney, a sports presenter, on that list when Marty Morrissey [also a sports presenter] isn’t? Why is one paid that amount and the other isn’t?

    Then RTÉ tell the Indo to

    When asked about Mr Lee’s salary, RTÉ directed the Sunday Independent to its salary guide, which states that entry pay for a correspondent is €69,034 and the highest pay is €94,108.

    RTÉ then state

    His earnings listed reflect many years of evolving journalistic and presenter duties across radio and television

    But almost all of the Correspondents in RTÉ would be in a similar position, George started in 1992, Emma O'Kelly started in 2002 her tenure would now equal that of George's.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    I wonder what Marty Morrisseys market value is as a sports presenter. No doubt Sky Sports, TNT and ESPN are trying to poach him!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Again I’ll state I may be misremembering this but didn’t KB promise to expand that list beyond the Top 10 and to include all staff not just on air “talent”?

    I read a poster’s comment from an old thread on this which I found illuminating insofar as he said it’s not so much the overpaid Top 10 that concerns me, it’s what I suspect is hiding in no.’s 11-200.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭amlinopta


    Mightn't be able to get his "ad hoc" arrangement with Renault for a free car with those other stations though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The simple solutions is to create a spread sheet with 4 columns

    Position | Department | Salary | Type of Contract (Employee / Contractor)

    Number them 1 - 100 and a separate table for the leadership team.

    People can guess the rest, if they want.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Is normal for public bodies to publish ALL their salary scales AND the number of staff at each grade. Why wont RTE?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    https://about.rte.ie/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/RTE-Annual-Report-2024-English.pdf

    You are right I don't see it in the RTÉ annual report on a quick scan.

    Generally it is broken up into bands of 10Ks starting at 60K - 69K and so on, AFAIK some still report 50 - 59K but they are not obliged to for this band.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Civil service goes further - even the salaries of the lowest paid are published!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    that last one won’t be necessary in RTÉ, unless you’re talking monthly fees for presenters in the late 00’s and early 10’s.


    I'm not even joking btw.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    Publishing salary scales for posts will be a legal requirement in the next few months, by EU Directive. But for some reason we have no enacted it into law, which is very unusual for Ireland.

    RTE does not have a Salary Scale system, or did not untill very recently. It was one of those HR issues the various reports/ consultants have raised for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


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    Well isn’t this just a delicious pic of the Irish Alan Partridge dressed in full Partridge-esque attire posted on his insta. That’s not the highlight however - that would be the surprise at which the self-proclaimed political anorak expresses learning that our President is bilingual. Not quite as bad as claiming (without a later correction I will add) that Joe Biden was POTUS twice but it does prove once again that The Toyman’s pronouncements about his interests often ring hollow.

    I was sent this btw - I’m not on Instagram.

    The attire reminds me of this:

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    Very Watership Ryan.

    In keeping with the nautical theme of the day I wonder did he say “all aboard HMS Nerdatonia” again like he once did on his radio show? Now that would have been deliciously bonkers.

    Shame he didn’t bring a sailor’s cap to complete the look.

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    Extra: The Toyman’s blazer is rather ill fitting. The sleeves are too long as anyone with any sense of dress knows it should allow for an exposed shirt sleeve to extend beyond that of the blazer by approximately a half an inch to an inch.

    The body of the jacket is also too short.


    Ryan/Noel, perhaps you should watch this:

    The Toyman’s jacket is quite ill fitting and clearly off the rack - there’s nothing wrong with off the rack btw if it fits properly. But this doesn’t. I’d expect more of a man with The Toyman’s means, as well as from someone who like to portray himself in the manner he does. Maybe Noel can get a sponsor for this?

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    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,646 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-feel-like-fools-unhappy-rte-staff-demand-showdown-with-management-over-pay-scandal/a714160523.html

    “What about correspondents? Why is George Lee on the list of top earners as a correspondent when others news correspondent aren’t?”

    Mr Lee, RTÉ’s environment correspondent, earned €194,406 last year.

    When asked about Mr Lee’s salary, RTÉ directed the Sunday Independent to its salary guide, which states that entry pay for a correspondent is €69,034 and the highest pay is €94,108.

    “His earnings listed reflect many years of evolving journalistic and presenter duties across radio and television,” said a spokesperson.

    Is everyone getting the same longevity recognition?

    If you can get past the paywall, I wonder who one of RTE's sources is? ;)

    It is ironic that if Derek Mooney was included in 20-23 George Lee would have been pushed out of the top ten, meaning there would have been less focus on him, which makes you question why the number of salaries shown stops at the arbitrary number of ten.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,646 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    So what is Emma O'Kelly being paid then? Are there known bands of tenure?

    George Lee only missed 1 year when he became Dail lobby fodder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,646 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Speaking at the book’s launch at Hodges Figgis in Dublin city centre on Wednesday evening, Mr Ross said there was a “very triumphant trio” that left RTÉ in a good place in 2014.

    He was referring to then-communications minister Pat Rabbitte, who was in attendance to help launch the book, former RTÉ board chairman Tom Savage, and former RTÉ director general Noel Curran.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shane-ross-puzzled-after-new-book-on-rte-met-with-wall-of-silence-from-national-broadcaster/a1639522457.html

    Noel Curran was DG to 2016, I don't believe that all the problems revealed during Dee Forbes time only started when Dee Forbes became DG…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    I would most certainly agree with your final point. RTÉ was far from a perfectly run organisation before Forbes came on board and though she must shoulder a huge amount of blame for what happened under her watch, the rot did not start with her.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,099 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    It appears she did an excellent job in continuing that rot, while berating us the public about paying our license fees.

    She needs to be held accountable for her role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Ross' book really says little about Christmas Cake Ingredient's time in RTÉ. The book is so wrapped up in the politics of the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, it largely bypass the 2000s and the 2010s. Collins, Goan and Curran aren't interviewed for their views on the fall out, here are D4bes' predecessors, Goan who agreed to a 900K pay out to Pat Kenny.

    You'd only know Ross was married to a former RTÉ presenters and not that he was in Cabinet!

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Great of the RTÉ Guide to give Doireann Garrihy an interview to promote her podcast and her podcast tour, and for rte.ie to subsequently publish it.

    https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2026/0518/1573683-doireann-garrihy-i-try-to-be-myself-in-everything-i-do/


    I mentioned recently that RTÉ Radio and TV could be rebranded as NKM FM and NKM TV, equally the RTÉ Guide could be rebranded to the NKM Guide as it’s rare one of the NKM “stars” isn’t on the cover or featured inside.

    And this of course is AFTER Mr. Kelly was front and centre during The Ryan Tubridy Pay Scandal, Backhurst’s comments about not dealing with agents and the comments about minimising advertising leakage. They really don’t help themselves at all.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,863 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


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    Regarding Alan and Ryan. This is the clip from that photo.

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    What could the protestors drop off the bridge? A Renault might be a bit much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Golly gosh you scoundrel with your imaginative use of AI!

    Interesting to see a young Simon Pegg in that clip. Chris Morris also made an appearance in this episode I believe as a “posh farmer” so to speak.

    Items to drop off the bridge? A copy of “Patrick and the President” would be enough to topple The Toyman I suspect. Dee Forbes? That might however cause injury to her and delay her testimony to any committee investigating RTÉ and we certainly wouldn’t want that now would we?

    Maybe a giant novelty cheque?

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Great to see Ryan Tubridy supporting this new sail training venture in honour of Ernest Shackleton. As an aside the final chapter of the great man's life was written boy a boy scout who sailed with him on his last voyage to South Georgia in 1921-22.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Yes it’s great to see The Toyman out and about and discovering that our President speaks Irish! That’s quite a scoop for the self-proclaimed political anorak! I was delighted he got dressed up for the occasion too. The nautical theme is perfect for someone who appears somewhat “lost at sea” so to speak in today’s changing media landscape.

    Perhaps he could now write “Caitríona agus an Uachtarán” as a follow up to “Patrick and the President”; although as rudimentary and basic as his English is I feel even a children’s book as Gaeilge might be beyond him. He wouldn’t even need the services of an illustrator to insert himself into the pictorial elements of the book this time as AI could do it for him. It would be blasta.

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    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Do you find someone to be bilingual?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Hold My Hand


    Showing my age here …

    Can any of ye remember presenters like Pat, Gay, Marian etc. being on around 900k a year? Could be wrong …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    From memory. Pat was on 900+k. He also had a free car high end BMW. I remember him whining as BMW did not renew the car when the recession hit. Gay was on about 180k on RTE gold, I don't think he was ever on mega mega Tiger bucks. Marian was on about 350k at once stage for her single show on a Saturday. There is a clip of Mike Murphy from around the Tiger years saying he never would have left RTE he knew the salaries were going to go up like they did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭Caquas


    You're not wrong.

    In 2008, Pat Kenny was paid €950K while Marian was paid €570K through their companies - the heyday of RTE's "self-employment" wheeze which has cost RTE about three times more than all these salaries put together.

    Remember, Pat (like Gaybo before him) was doing 5 mornings a week on radio plus the Late Late, plus a plethora of specials e.g. political debates, so he should have been on about 20 times Marian especially as advertising on the Late Late was earning about 10 times more for RTE compared to Marian with her two weekend chats on the radio. Plus Pat proved his commercial value in moving to NewsTalk.

    There were ructions when these numbers were released because the banks had blown up and salaries were being cut across the public sector. It was really the beginning of RTE's current troubles. Every DG since has been on the back foot, promising reforms while sinking further into debt.

    https://www.rte.ie/documents/about/top_pay_2007_2008.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    If someone paid me €900k for presenting on RTE I'd take it, who wouldn't?

    It's not a crime to negotiate a salary or take it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭Caquas


    But if your employer has contrived to go bust and is going cap in hand to the Government, although it was granted a "licence to print money" through advertising and it charges every household in the country €160 a year whether or not anyone wants its output, and it has sold off prime real estate that was meant for public services, don't be surprised if people get pissed off with you for pocketing that dosh!



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