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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭rhapsody


    Thanks so much Deja Boo, that looks likely indeed 🙏 I was looking at townlands.ie (which doesn't have a Barratogher) so that's why I wasn't seeing it; also based on their post-marriage location, I was looking further east.

    Would anyone else have suggestions for Michael's residence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Deja Boo


    sorry if I am way off base here, may be too far away from Tullaghan

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭rhapsody


    Hi DejaBoo, yes I've ruled out that Ballybeg (and the one to it, in Mayo) as it's much further north (30km) than the confirmed locations for the family - Tullynaglug, Bunnennaden, Ballynaraw South.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭sirpsycho


    Hello All,

    I'm trying to decipher a couple of things from this marriage cert.

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    https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11117/8069798.pdf

    Robert Brailsford (23) —>

    Rank or Profession: Frame ???? Knitter maybe?

    Residence: Station Street maybe?

    There was no Station Street at this time - see OSI map below:

    https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/swipe/#zoom=17.3&lat=53.60839&lon=-6.18289&layers=257i&right=290



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 Elixxe


    From internet searches, I found the following:

    One of the oldest streets in the town

    Fingal Independent Tue 14 May 2013 at 05:32

    ONE of the oldest streets in Balbriggan is Railway Street, also known as Station Street and formerly, as Freemans Row.

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    Balbriggan and stockings (you probably already know this!):

    The Balbriggan area has been synonymous with high-quality hosiery since the 1740s, with its finely crafted stockings, known as “Balbriggans”, holding a protected trade name for over 150 years. In the early 19th century, Joseph Smyth, a former Lancashire cotton mill manager, established Smyth & Co. in Balbriggan's Freemans’ Row (now Railway Street), producing stockings of such exceptional quality that they were worn by European royalty, including Princess Eugenie of Austria and the Tzarina of Russia. In 1837, the factory gained its most prestigious patron, Queen Victoria herself. [from https://www.creativeireland.gov.ie/en/event/stockings-for-the-queen-talk-with-dr-david-sorensen/]



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Might it be frame work knitter - that's what it looks like for the fathers occupation.

    Great info @Elixxe.

    I did not know that Balbriggan was synonymous with hosiery.

    EDIT: Just Googled framework knitter and there's a whole page about it on Wikipedia under the title stocking frame.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    Surprised at that Hermy. Balbriggan's Smyth & Co became Smyco and was operating until at least past the late 1970s. Penneys/Primark at one stage bought from them. That stretch of coast had a major textile industry, for e.g. Skerries was famous for its shirts, The now-famous and exclusive brand ‘Thomas Pink’ grew out of the Skerries Shirt Company. Blackrock on the southern side of Dublin Bay was a similar centre, with Glen Abbey hosiery and several shirt companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭55Gem


    just to add to Elixxe’s find.
    There is an ad for Balbriggan Cycling and Athletic Club in 1895……apply to Richard S Gorman, Station Street.

    In 1901 Richard is on Railway Street.

    https://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Balbriggan_Urban/Railway_Street/1263895/

    By 1899 the person to contact changes to DA Ellis ,Station Street

    He also lives on Railway Street in 1901

    https://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Balbriggan_Urban/Railway_Street/1263898/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭sirpsycho


    Thanks everyone. A lot of my relatives worked in Smythco from the start and it was a massive industry in Balbriggan for years, and was one of the main things that led to massive growth in the town.

    Frame Work Knitter seems to be the occupation alright.

    Station Street is still throwing me a little bit since it doesnt appear on OSI maps around this time (1878) but maybe it was called that by the locals. 55Gem - good find on the cycling club and Richard Gorman!

    Also, random bit of info - John Wayne called his undergarments "Balbriggans" in some of his films!

    Edit:I noticed Gorman and Ellis are Church of Ireland as were my relatives. I need to plan a trip into the COI RCB Library to check the old records to get birth/deaths/marriage records that I couldn't find. Has anyone here done this recently? Straightforward enough once you give them rough dates? Are the records easy enough to read?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭mindhorn


    Struggling to make out the address below…

    Link to the prison register on Ancestry

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    Possibly 5, Waverrsy Street, Hull [recte Waverley?]



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Are you looking at Joseph Whelan or the entry above it; John Howard?

    Joseph Whelan's next-of-kin is his wife Mary 34 Liffey Quay? Dublin. It looks to me Howard's details have spilled over into Whelans. (curly brackets in the body marks column)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭mindhorn


    Thanks all, good spot @chooseusername. Next-of-kin is Margaret so that all lines up. I'm only seeing now what the charge related to :/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 359 ✭✭louis346789


    Hi All

    Any ideas on the father's occupation of John Mullen. Also John has a very unusual second name. Having difficulty finding him in Dublin records. He sailed from London to Australia in 1888.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 359 ✭✭louis346789


    Also

    this is copy from official records



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Father - John Ponsonby Mullan

    Occupation - none in particular

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Second name "Ponsonby"?

    Occupation "None in Particular"

    Parents died while he was young, so maybe he didn't know or father was a gentelman of leisure?

    Edit,

    slow fingers me

    Post edited by chooseusername on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 359 ✭✭louis346789


    Hi Hermy and Chooseusername

    thank you. Yes he says he was an orphan . raised by family members.

    I will keep digging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    He's an interesting person

    https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/mullan-john-7677



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭mindhorn


    A Mary Whelan appears a few times in the prison registers and she is recorded as being single, however in some entries the surname Byrne is also attached to her name. None of the records state that she was ever a widow, so is Byrne possibly her mothers maiden name? I'm aware of a John Whelan living at 44 Sandwith St/Pl, so I'm trying to locate his daughter.

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    http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61943/records/2562976

    http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61943/records/2455283

    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61943/records/2477748



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    She may have just used Byrne as an alias.

    Post edited by spurious on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭mindhorn


    Just wanted to rule out any Byrne searches before trawling through all the Whelan birth records.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 359 ✭✭louis346789


    Hi Mick yes for sure. Am showing up as a distant y dna match but it's going to be difficult to research. I will open a new thread to not disrupt this one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 359 ✭✭louis346789


    Hi All

    Any ideas on address for Mary Mullen line 864.

    Louis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭doctorwho-fan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭55Gem


    It’s very pixelated but I think like most of the others it says No abode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 359 ✭✭louis346789


    I agree. Thank you. Just needed confirmation



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    There is another entry (25 June 1880) for the same woman (again with children Joseph and Will) which describes her as 'tramp' and says they are all from King's county (Offaly).



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