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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Most Irish people don't care about Russian war crimes - your buddy Doherty doesn't.

    Didn't see you posting any renewable generation figures for today. Didn't your suit your nonsensical argument?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    only 3 out of 9 GW generating? Yay! while producing 15x co2 of that radioactive wasteland called France

    And you are right SF are twats, yet on this subject as I pointed out they ain’t wrong

    At least they have the political cop on not to paint the whole population as stupid while excusing failed policies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I don`t believe it can be explained away as being down to price spikes or consumers not switching suppliers.

    2023 - 2026 we have consistently been in the top three in Europe for the most expensive electricity. 2020 - 2021 we were consistently 4th. most expensive.

    1999 we were 18% lower than the European average, 3rd cheapest. After the so called "liberalisation" of electricity beginning with the Electricity Regulation Act 1999 we quickly moved from one end of the price table to the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    The main reason is because the price of gas has gone through the roof and as an island with limited connections we have to paid through the nose when gas is expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    It's curious to see that Eirgrid and SONI have sneakily increased the minimum inertia on the system from 23GWs to 28GWs over the weekend.

    I guess all that wind and solar, that provide precisely 0 inertia, needs even more gas turbines to support them now. That change basically undoes the work towards reducing the number of thermal generators required online. 7 probably becomes 9 now, even with the new synchronous condensers.

    Nuclear would go a long way to solving the inertia issue while also reducing carbon. But hey ho, even more expensive electricity here we come!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I do not believe it can be just looked on as a sheer coincidence the more that electricity generation was "liberalized" the higher our prices became. Going from amongst the lowest to consistently being in the top three highest

    The E.U. policy, influenced by Germany pushing Putin`s gas as a transition fuel didn`t help either. Nor does the marginal pricing policy which means we will be paying for all our electricity forever and a day based on the price of gas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    And why is that?

    The Green Party warmly welcomes the decision by An Bord Pleanála to refuse planning permission for a commercial LNG terminal on the Shannon Estuary today (September 15th). This judgement vindicates the Green Party’s position that the future doesn’t lie in increasing our reliance in dirty, imported fossil fuels but in clean, home-produced renewable energy.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    50 years worth of gas onshore in north west alone

    But guess whom pushed for a ban on gas extraction and instead wanted us to become reliant on Russia and Gulf?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    There is no support from any of the policial party for fracking - rightly or wrongly. Locals were protesting against it long before the ban.

    50 years? The article says 12. You wouldn't be making things up again?

    I would support the LNG storage facility but it's not going to make much of a difference to price - its more about protecting against short term supply shocks. No surprise that you are twisting the truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    2.2 TCF in republic another 3 adjacent in NI

    Republic imports 0.18 to 0.22TCF (trillion cubic feet gas) per year

    It’s 12 years of republic demand or 50 years of NI demand

    Your sudden concern for locals (let’s not forget you called everyone in Ireland as stupid only a few posts up) is touching seeing how communities up and down the country are fighting thousand acre solar industrial estates and Eiffel Tower sized turbines



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    NI? Another classic twisting of your 'stats'.

    I never said I was concerned about the locals. Another lie.

    I never called everyone in Ireland stupid. Another lie. I said that people paying 40c+ on average for electricity either didn't care about the price(I know lots of people that have no idea what the price they pay) or were stupid. See the difference?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    You blamed people for not switching implying they are stupid only a few posts up

    Without offering any evidence that this is the cause of Ireland having the highest electricity prices in Europe (and probably the world)

    This kind of looking down your nose at people is why the Greens were politically wiped out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Oh well, poor people may have no choice as they usually go from one week to another and cant save enough to bi monthly billing. That is why most of local authority and housing association properties in Ireland are fitted with prepaid meters. That electricity is expensive. It may be poor planning and inability of save money but these people are poor not stupid.

    I dont think greens will fare good in next election due to this kind of rhetoric.

    Also, operation Epstein Fury and Strait of Hormuz nightmare will start to bite mainly poor people soon enough. What begins in the oil market ends on your plate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭creedp


    Interesting that the sales pitch for even onshore wind turbines might have been a tad over optimistic! If onshore turbines really become uneconomic after only 15 years what is the realistic economic lifespan for the much heralded Atlantic off shore only game in town saviours for Irelands renewable electricity strategy?

    https://x.com/PeterDClack/status/2054421031721566400



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    1. China have populations of about a fifth of the worlds population and they emit about a fifth of world emissions. Significantly less per Capita than America while still producing vast amounts of the worlds industrial production. (8t pp compared with 14t in the US)
    2. Their emissions have likely peaked and are declining in 2026
    3. The impact of Chinese planning ahead and actually taking the green energy transition seriously is that in about 10 years, Global adoption of chinese renewable generation and storage technology and their electric vehicle technology will be offsetting more CO2 than they produce so China will be pretty much the only country in the world actually contributing to reducing global emissions while corrupt oil industry shills still try everything they can do to drag every last dollar from their oil investments
    4. You should be asking why Europe and America have so little to show for our emissions compared with China instead of whining about the chinese

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    4. Because we are afraid of nuclear and Chinese are not

    They also have no issues with slave Labour and building a coal plant every week and destroying the environment

    Which even the greenest of China flag waving watermelons would agree is a bad thing to do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭eire23


    That's a load of rubbish. Know of ones working for 25 year and they will probably manage 30 years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Grid scale batteries can provide the same stability for frequency regulation

    Grid forming batteries already exist, are being used in Australia, Chinese Sodium Ion batteries are commercially available at half the price of current lithium based batteries and require none of the problematic raw materials like Lithium and Cobalt.

    While Nuclear can provide inertia, its a very expensive way of doing it if you don't already have a nuclear industry and buy the time it would be built the costs of storage will be much lower than they are now

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Why do you have such a hard on for buying the most expensive form of gas so that our bills will be even higher?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Thats a report from 2012 and the report was fundamentally flawed because the maths used to calculate the outputs contained methodological flaws

    The statistical model conflates "wind farms getting older" with "the wind industry expanding into less windy sites over time." A wind farm built in 2002 sits on the windiest hilltop available in 1998. A wind farm built in 2010 sits on whatever site is left after a decade of development. When you compare the older one to the newer one, you're not measuring degradation — you're measuring site selection. David MacKay showed Hughes' model can't distinguish between these explanations.

    Not particularly surprising when you consider the author works for a climate denial green washing front and is on the board of the GWPF

    In the 13 years since this report weve seen capacity factors increasing and operational lifetimes of wind farms being extended in many instances

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    why do you have such a hard on for most of our electricity dependent on a gas pipeline to UK only

    Gas which we will need well into next century to backup unreliable renewables you have a hard on for

    Called energy independence where have multiple sources of one gets deliberately or accidentally cut



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Thats not what energy independence is

    (And there are 3 pipelines)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    One to NI and two crossing each other in same shallow spot

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    with Farage looking to be next prime minister he can hold whole country hostage

    But hey who needs multiple sources of supply for all that gas that we must burn as most of the time wind and solar are doing f all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    With 3 nationalist governments leading to the dissolution of the UK we might only have to deal with Scotland and NI.

    About as likely as your scenario



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Only if we decide to pay such fines. We actually have a thing called sovereignty where we can basically tell the EU to f-off when and as we please. Germany does it from time to time, we should too. All it takes is a political party with the will and perseverance to do it, a.k.a. a backbone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    I'd burn it for fifty or a hundred years more, just to get us through this 'bufoon-age' where the thinking is that turbines and covering Agriland with glass is going to make us energy independent with next to nothing leccy bills. Fantasy stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You'd rather the land gets covered in sea water or snow and ice if the AMOC shuts off.

    While paying the highest electricity prices in the world driven by unstable and volatile and increasing scarce fossil fuel supplies that Ireland has practically zero natural resources of.

    All while forcing another generation to breath in cancerous fumes from the smog from burning things to produce heat which mostly goes to waste.

    I ber you are also opposed BEVs because of reasons

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    For context, rooftop solar alone could provide more power than we need if utilized. France are mandating that all carparks be covered with solar panels, 100s of square km of dolar, zero additional land use.

    Offshore wind uses almost zero land, geothermal is becoming more commercially viable due to technology improvements, almost zero land...

    Coastal and tidal flooding, lots of land directly inundated, often the best most fertile land and expensive coastal and riverbank property filled with expensive infrastructure and peoples homes

    Solar farms are temporary structures that can be moved. Flooded land is lost forever, and cuts off a lot more land than just the parts that are under water or flooded regularly.

    Flood defense are expensive to build and maintain and can only protect small areas of critical infrastructure

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    yet another European country that doesn’t permit conversion of agricultural land to industrial estates, thanks for pointing out how fucked up our “green”‘policies are

    The same France that is mostly nuclear, produces 20x less co2 than us and is much cheaper for electricity

    Maybe be like France eh?



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