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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    They want the set piece coach from season 2024/2025 back when United were at their worse at them? Set pieces have been great this season, not sure about that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,671 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    I read it as 2 year contract + 1 year extension.

    I don't know if contracts are worth much these days. You could have a 10 deal and get booted out after 6 months.

    Anyway, he's at United. Pressure is a way of life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭FrankN1


    Longer would be bizarre. 2 years is more than enough. If it goes south this season, he should be gone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    so give him a longer contract then, if contracts are meaningless.

    My personal opinion is you can't go into a season with a manager out of contract at the end of it - unless you know and are planning for their departure.

    It would be human nature for that to impact their decision making, to some degree. A part of the reason ETH had his extension triggered that summer.

    Maybe it doesn't have an impact this summer or this season, maybe - though imo there will be a pressure on Carrick to earn the trigger or a new contract this coming season now. But next summer if he is still on the same base 2 year deal? You are asking players you are looking to sign to be convinced to play for a guy you don't know if you want to still be there in 12 months? I think that makes the job harder.

    As for why i think it can influence his decisions and the impact that can have… that gets into a whole area of performance quality, tactical evolution and setting oureslves up for long term success. Which, to be fair, doesn't seem to be a conversation many in here want to have or simply utterly disagree with me on.

    And then people said to me we needed to give carrick the job not do a proper interview process cause of the lack of faith that would show (I disagree) but are these same people happy with a 2 year contract? Does that 2 year deal not immediately say 'We are not sure of you at all and you need to prove next season that we have not made a mistake'?

    If the only thing you care about is the result of any given single match, then a 2 year contract, or even 1 year contract, is absolutely fine and makes sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    It wouldn't be, imo, for the reasons in my post above. If it goes south he should be gone regardless of the contract length, so that should not really be a consideration.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    When you see Real going back to Jose 10 years past his peak I think that tells you all we need to know about the current market for managers.

    Happy with Carrick getting 2 years or 2+1. Listening to TOTD from yesterday Laurie Whitwell says there was discussions with other candidates/their agents so that confirms Carrick wasn't just made as the easy choice. IMO the lack of quality, available/gettable alternatives means Carrick is the best man right now for the job. Also happy to hear they will be adding to the coaching team. Alot of positive news today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,629 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I get the impression that if they announced a 3 or 4 year contract, you would have had an issue with that.

    A 2 year contract reflects the situation he/we are in. He was brought in as an interim and has done well enough to get a short contract. He needs to prove himself next year, that will be key.

    Contract length isn't meaningless, the longer the contract the more compensation has to be paid if it goes south.

    This contract is a "let's see how you do next year" contract. If he can't replicate his interim results then they will most likely look for a more qualified manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,522 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    it helps them rationalise what is objectively the wrong decision. ie: if a great manager lock him down for years.

    cheap and easy is what this appointment is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,162 ✭✭✭BKtje


    He would have a two year contract, we wouldn't be going into the 26/27 season with a manager out of contract at the end of the year. Summer 2027 they would need to decide whether to activate his extension till summer 2029 or replace him. If they replaced him they would only need to pay out 1 years compensation for him and his staff.

    I think this is a smart play, we dont know how he'll perform nor what managers/coaches will be available summer 2027. This way the club keeps its options open and wouldn't need to pay a multi year payout of the contract like they have had to do with the previous managers and their entire staff if a change is needed. If Carrick and his staff are happy to sign it then it's a decent deal for the club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Fine, thats you impression. I wont get into a conversation with you on it then cause your stance is im simply arguing in bad faith.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    I'm not a fan of Carrick getting the job but there is something in this to be fair. It's a difficult market and the world cup doesn't help.

    Hope it goes really well for him but I think he's going to need some top level coaches next to him. Massive Summer ahead for signings needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭GolfPar


    Sesko the only doubt for Sunday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,752 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    I'm not sure how I feel about this personally. We've been here before where a club legend has been appointed only for it too end in tears. Like all of us I hope I'm wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,781 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    I've been a vocal negative nancy about it but 2 years isn't too bad plus any new players know who they will be playing for, will make filtering out players who aren't up for the challenge easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    the history repeating thing is not a concern for me. He isn't Ole. It will be different.

    I just see no reason to think he is good enough to manage an elite side to an elite level, and that is what the manager of Man United should be able to do.

    Same as you, I hope I wrong.

    I can come up with loads of mitigation for all the issues I see, I can come up with ways I think we should look to address those issues in the summer. So I am not hopeless with regards to Carrick. I can certainly see a world it works out because (as a club) we fix a bunch of things that need fixing - and he has seen they need fixing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,671 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    12 months ago most LFC fans would've given Slot a ten year deal. 12 months on and they'd have him gone by the end of this month. Or several months ago even. Did all the players being signed by that club last summer have huge faith in the manager being there long term. Bet your ass they did. Do they have the same faith now....not so much I'm thinking.

    Carrick has 2 years. We'll know by Christmas if he'll last the season. And then we'll know if he gets a second. And that's pretty much the same regardless of who is appointed.

    Decisions, decisions. Opinions, opinions. Jesus, this hurler on the ditch craic is really stressful. Thank God I'm not the manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    They shouldn't even make public the length of a manager's contract. Load of nonsense and just feeding the media.

    Anyone know if the length of Fergie's first contract was known at the time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Every manager appointment invariably "ends in tears", it's just a matter of when that happens. Average life cycle of a manager at a club these days is what, 2.5yrs? 2+1 seems a reasonable enough contract then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,522 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    wonder what the injury was - i presume surgery was the last option.

    Matthijs de Ligt has undergone successful surgery to address a back injury. He will be back at the early stages of the 2026/27 season.

    "I am grateful to everyone who has supported me throughout a difficult period in my career. I remain as determined as ever to represent Manchester United and play in front of our incredible supporters as soon as possible."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    Sure Amorim only got 2 years and he was ripping the whole thing up and installing a brand new system of play with very specific player requirements, that we didn't have when we hired him.

    2+1 is the sensible play financially, much as I hate it, we are on the same manager merry go round everyone else is on now, the days of 27 years of Fergie followed by 6 years (!!!!!) of Moyesie are long in the rearview mirror.

    Carrick was one of my favourite United players ever, I hope he rips it up and is here for 20 years.

    The way he played the game suggests he should be good tactically given time and we see how he has brought the calmness and measured style he played with to his managing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,781 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    I can't find the vid anymore but he twisted his back badly during a tackle, I wonder did he damage the spine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    strangely we have a bunch of exceptions to that rule this season - Iraola, Glasner, Silva, possibly Pep all leaving on good terms.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161


    Amorim was on a 2.5 year + 1. And the .5 was only because it was mid season. So Carrick effectively the same as that (only with a more mainstream system).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    and, imo, we were under pressure to make a decision on keeping or sacking Amorim this coming summer as a result of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,405 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Official account a fan of the comms it seems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,878 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Wish they had decided he needed surgery a bit earlier tbh!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Indeed. But then back surgery is probably a huge commitment and decision. I can understand a person being cautious and hoping rest along with physio etc will solve the issue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭jayo44


    Think you're just been a drama queen now Mitch.

    It's always gonna be a decision every year on every manager it be silly if the club if they didn't review the manger at the end of every season. It just means less mess when it comes to paying him off and if he has a good season next year then reward him put some faith in him.



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