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Starmer is in big trouble. If he goes, could gov fall - impact on the messy world we are in now

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    I agree with this tweet below. This is what we are looking at and is playing out. You may find foreign actors are involved in this behind the scenes too .. I include trump and co in this.

    The "for some reason" below is the powerful right wing media in the UK do not want UK closer to Eutope and ultimately want there man in No 10



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,462 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I do hate how nakedly partisan the billionaire-owned press here is.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    The UK right wing press is and always has been a malignant force.

    It would be quite ironic were Farage to become PM at a time when one of his suspected backers, the Russian state, faced an existential crisis. That certainly seems to be where we're headed.

    I'd also argue Farage as PM with all his Rule Britannia bull would in fact increase the likelihood of the UK breaking up. The SNP must have their fingers crossed.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The traditional media have never been less powerful.

    Also it is not the media's fault that Starmer simply has no strength in his convictions. He is not ruling like a man with a 100+ seat majority should be. I think the Labour manifesto was good, and I think Starmer's plans to fix planning bureaucracy, tackle senior benefits and regularise the relationship with the EU were all really good. But he folded in the face of any internal opposition because these things all required a degree of pain. He should have pushed them all through early doors and reaped the benefits over the course of the term of government. Instead he gets all the political blowback of pushing for them, and none of the benefits of actually doing them.

    Unfortunately, there is a significant wing in Labour who believe in economic fairytales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Starmer saying that he will not resign and fight on. It's going to end up like that Julian Assange situation when the police were dragging him out the Ecuadorian embassy soon enough.

    His 15% approval rating will be down to 10% now.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,462 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. He'll stay until the party toss him out via en masse resignations.

    Nice signature by the way.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Listening to james O Brien on LBC. Yes he can go on a bit with monologues, but he just did one hitting at the core of all of this. That what this labour gov and starmer should have done from get go is to head on take on the powerful right wing press, a levenson type thing. To take on the lies and untruths that seem to entrawl much of the UK voters. To in effect take back the country from the grip of all this. Take on the polution of public discourse.

    I am only briefly saying some of what he said, no doubt it will be on youtube later, I will post it here, see what ye think .. also will be the full context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Yes the numbers are there now for a leadership challenge BUT Starmer is a lawyer, a PROCESS man. No one has officially come forward to challenge him and officially trigger a challange which is the law in labour? So starmer continued with business as usual, I would expect that from him as per what he is, above



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,337 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Maybe we should invite the UK to merge with our Republic, for stability's sake. the Act of Union of Ireland and Great Britain 2026



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,748 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    No Cabinet members told Thatcher to resign either. But they did tell her, after her unconvincing victory in round 1, that they didn't think she would win.

    86 MPs are calling for Starmer to resign, including Jess Philips who has resigned get position in the Home Office. Sky saying they come from all wings of the party.

    81 is minimum number needed to back a challenger. Can they reach a unity candidate?

    But 100 MPs have signed a letter supporting Starmer. That leaves about 230 on the fence.

    Breaking news. A 4th Minister, Zubir Ahmed has resigned. He's a surgeon. He is seen as part of the Wes Streeting camp.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    What is it with all these calls for Andy Burnham? In labour circles he sounds like there Jesus Christ.

    Sorry - I dont know alot about the internals of the UK Labour party ..

    As a general point - I really think the UK, the labour politicians, politicians and voters in general are NOT seeing the reality of things or are in denial. I really dont think replacing a PM ( OR having a GE ) will make much if any difference to the really difficult and bad situation they are in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,427 ✭✭✭cml387




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I know all the attention is on Labour at the moment and so it shoild be but how did the conservatives do in the local elections?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,178 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Badly. Some isolated tiny gains against hundreds of losses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    What is it with all these calls for Andy Burnham? In labour circles he sounds like there Jesus Christ.

    It's utter nonsense is what it is. Those with an eye on the future have talked this man up like he's the messiah - brainwashing people for years to the point many believe there is something to him. He's a northerner with a distinct northern accent where the hope would be that in itself would secure the north of England for Labour. The electorate are so dim that that would actually work. It's the same with Angela Rayner and look what happens to her. The way she was talked up in the media has always been laughable. Neither of them are people of any particular distinction at all, it's because it's believed they are vote winners that they are being propped up by the party machine.

    Personally I don't it's right that a sitting government can rebrand themselves by ousting their PM. I think after 3 years in power and if approval ratings has dropped to the floor a general election should be called.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,176 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yep, first elected to Commons in 2001, so there's only about 30 current MPs who started before him…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    As per LBC - Wes streeting had a short meet with starmer this morning. 15 mins apparently. When he walked out he told allies that he is preparing to resign and trigger a leadership contest as soon as tomorrow.

    Starmer is reckoned to fight any such challenge

    Apparently streeting is on the RIGHT of the party and would not be the most popular with much of those in Labour.

    SO - now we have king Charles at this moment reading the KINGS SPEECH in the House of Commons. One could argue, its the most pointless of things at this stage? Charles sounds very very down beat. Who could blame him .. just back after his time with Trump and now this rinse repeat psycho drama

    AND now everyone, to the house of commons this afternoon to debate this speech ..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    That debate in house of commons is going to be interesting say the least



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭aidanodr




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,094 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Starmer to Streeting = white collar drone to white collar drone. Even if this change were to take place, any Labour politician with half a brain must realise this is nothing more than rearranging the deck chairs. They're not really trying to build any kind of radical new vision. They're just trying to see out their full term in government, hoping that some deus ex machina moment happens that sees Reform slump in the polls. Sorry, not good enough.

    I mean, Farage comes from the white collar world, too, but at least his party offers an alternative vision. Yes, one that is darker and takes the UK a step or two closer to fascism, but an alternative vision nonetheless. The Greens and the Lib Dems offer alternatives, too. I hope they'd perform well enough to keep Reform out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,107 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    With 6 leaders in 10 years and another under pressure is it time to ask 'Is the UK no longer governable?'. Are the divisions and fractures caused just too deep to fix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    So Burnham now has to fight a by-election in Wigan ( Labour Josh Simons relinquishing his seat ) against everyone else Inc Reform to get his seat to then go forward to try get 81 to support his leadership challenge against Starmer.

    We now have two labour seats exposed? Wigan by-election and Burnham's own seat in Manchester? No guarantee labour will win both?

    Now it seems we have a 3 maybe 4 way leadership challenge. Starmer, Streeting, Burnham, Rayner.

    This is a mess? Will take weeks, months to sort surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,176 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    would it not get the backs of even natural labour voters in makerfiekd asking them to turn out for a contrived by-election just so they can be supporting players in the drama of burnhams pursuit of the top job…I think this would be a serious challenge for Burnham no matter what constituency he was running in…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Simons stepping down in Wigan should make it a relatively straightforward route for Burnham back to No 10. He's popular in Manchester so should secure the seat. That's at least 6 weeks away. By then the writing on the wall will be clear, even to Starmer. I'd imagine that the rest of Labour will hold off on ousting Starmers till then, so as to not fracture the party and cause a GE.

    If Burnham can galvanise the party behind him, Reform might've lost their chance at an early election and capitalising on the local election momentum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭midlander12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Yes I imagine it would, particularly when Reform outpolled Lab 46% to 25% there in last week's local elections (admittedly partial and a low turnout, though the latter usually happens in byelections too).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,176 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Ironically it might stand to Burnham that his main rival is Big Bad Reform. If the other contender was say a Lib Dem he'd likely struggle to motivate left-leaning but uncommitted voters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Yes, I imagine that's his calculation. It's a gutsy enough move but it could backfire badly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Starmer should've come out all blood and thunder during the locals but couldn't because he's is too weakened within his own party to fight Reform.

    Burnham doesn't have that problem so he can go for Reforms, and more to the point, Farages jugular. Dodgy under the table benefactors, Nazi sympathizing members, too far right for the Tory party defectors.

    Burnham is centrist enough for the Blarites and Northern enough for the Labour heartland in Manchester to congregate around.

    If he manages to get a big enough share of the vote, he'll be up in Buckingham Palace with Charlie getting the keys to No10 in no time.



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