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General Premier League Thread 2025/2026 - See Post #1 for Mod Note

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    I haven't looked in a couple of years but I know City had similar or maybe even higher revenue published around the time Real Madrid were European Champions.

    I'll dig it out later. I know I've posted it here before.

    But anyway, let's use your link.

    How many of these clubs do you think fail to sell out a home game in the middle of a title race?

    How many do you think fail to sell their allocation at Wembley?

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    If they don't have the fanbase then why would you as a company pay to have your business promoted on a Man City jersey at the same level or higher than other clubs with much bigger fanbases?

    How do they turnover so much when the fans are so obviously not there?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭adaminho


    The likes of Puma, Asahi, Revolut and BYD aren't looking at how many empty seats are there on a Wednesday night. They are looking at worldwide numbers. The match was only fixed 2 weeks ago and they have a cup final on Saturday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Again… the match being fixed 2 weeks ago doesn't hold up.

    All big clubs have fixtures that need to be moved around late in the season, it's common. If a fan can't make a rescheduled match then another fan takes their seat because there is demand above the supply at big clubs.

    What's not common is empty seats with a title on the line. It's almost like there isn't enough demand for the tickets or something. Like the club has over inflated something…

    They do have a cup final on Saturday. Hopefully they sell it out this time as they didn't on their last trip.

    Must be all that success though, I remember you could basically walk into OT to see them lift the PL for the 13th time under Fergie… oh wait



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    On the other hand, if you look up some of their sponsors like 8xBet and Wega, you'll see that they don't need revenues

    If the companies don't have any customers to start with, and don't appear to even have their own products to sell - why would they need the stadium to be full?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,819 ✭✭✭jacool


    Le Bris started off really well, but Sunderland are only 4 points ahead of Leeds United and robbed 3 points in their recent clash where the PGMOL came back a week later and apologised for nobody noticing that O'Nein grabbed Struijk around the neck and hauled him to the ground in the box, for a blatant penalty. Leeds were on top, and would have gone 1-0 up, and they would now be ahead of the Black Cats in the table, so he's not done enough for me.

    For the second half of the season they have slid down a hill, as opposed to falling off a cliff

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,186 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    To be fair, I don't think the relegation predictions on Brentford were primarily about Andrews.

    They sold an awful lot of good and very influential players last summer - Mbeumo, Wissa, Flekken (the GK) and Norgaard, the Captain.

    Plus Frank departed for Spurs too. That was a lot of talent and leadership lost from the dressing room…. Mbeumo + Wissa alone had something like 40 League goals between them last season.

    Aside from Kelleher - their signings last summer weren't very inspired looking.

    But fair play to them they have coped really well and had a great season.

    Still think Arteta will win Manager of the year though (assuming Arsenal don't blow it now, which they surely can't with their remaining fixtures)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Clubs are selling womens teams, hotels etc to themselves regularly. Chelsea, Everton sold the womens team to themselves. Fans need to accept that this is how things work and it'll never change and it's within the rules. I'm sure if the people complaining had there own club do the same thing the complaints would change. The PL is a multi billion industry and invited oil states and dodgy billionares a long time ago and it wont change. If City were to be properly punished we'd have heard about it now. The days of complaining about that is over. Everyone has to just suck it up and deal with it instead of living in some fantasy land where punishments will be handed out. The PL league is no different to FIFA when it comes to dodgy dealings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭Suvarnabhumi


    So you reckon city's cheating case has finished, they've got away with it, and no one is going to be told?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭POKERKING


    mate your wasting your time here. I went into quite granular levels of details in the past on the accounts and there was an even an accountant who couldnt get his head round it despite the fact city were off the back of a treble. Honestly your wasting your time u wont change their mind regardless of any logic or reasoning you give, trust me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    edit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,408 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    That first half of the season form was never going to last, but the only table that matters is the actual league table. They’re still ahead of their biggest rivals Newcastle. They’ll be very happy with how things have gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭POKERKING


    99.9 percent of people here and likely the ones given out about empty seats don’t do more than one game a season for whoever they support at best. I am a city season ticket holder and i have done 11 league games so far(i wasnt there last night because surprise surprise arranging a game with two weeks notice midweek, three days after a home game and 3 days before a trip to Wembley(3rd trip to wembley in about 12 weeks) is very very difficult to get to). The amount of money and more importantly time just to do those 11 home games is incredible esp when you travel over and back is huge. Lads criticizing empty seats have no clue of the commitment to support a team in person and the sacrifices you have to make. Its easy point scoring though so well done to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Yes that's exactly what I think. We'll be told when a big fine is handed out when 10 charges out of the 115 have been upheld people will complain but the PL world will move on. For every person who says I'm done with the PL if City get off there's 10 more queing up to buy tickets and subscriptons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,408 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    Your scenario isn’t typical of the average Man City season ticket holder - you’re very much in the minority.

    You can reference your own reason for not attending, but aside from patting yourself on the back, I’m not sure what you’re really adding to the discussion to justify it.

    The attendance last night was low not because lads from Ireland didn’t have time to make the trip, it’s because thousands simply weren’t arsed to go. The attendance for the FA Youth Cup tonight is further evidence of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭Suvarnabhumi


    City fans have being saying for years that no one in Manchester supports United, all the locals support city. If their fan base is so big why can't they fill the ground for such an important game? Surely all the locals could just bus, tram or walk to the ground?

    Maybe Manchester isn't a big football city 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Whats the deal with that? United wanted it in a bigger stadium and City refused?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭adaminho




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,408 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    TLDR is that City said it couldn’t be held in the Etihad. Refused to move it to OT for a bigger attendance. (City had home advantage so didn’t have to give that up.)

    They decided to have it in their academy & women’s team 7,000 seater, with a 6,000 home allocation which didn’t sell out.

    OT in 2022 for the Youth Cup final had a 67,000 attendance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭KaiserGunner




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭KaiserGunner


    Think Man City have won 9/15 premier league titles. Been the only club since Peps first season in charge, to qualify for the champions league every season. Yet cant fill their stadium with 3 games to go in a title race. (Any of the other big clubs would have sold out).

    If Man City, continue to sweep up the leagues at this rate. Will people still tune in every season? Knowing that they're accounts are suspect. And them delaying the court case at every opportunity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    That's because there is no logic or reasoning that can explain it…

    It requires accepting the figures published by a club that have had multiple suspect sponsors and was previously paying their manager off their official books.

    But you already know that

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    They knew they'd be massively outnumbered support wise in their own back garden



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I'm talking 5 or so years from now. I help out at my local club now and again. Nearly every under 14/15/17 players are wearing Man City Haaland jerseys on them. There's a few Liverpool Salah jerseys but he's leaving. Arsenal shirts are nowhere bar the odd Ben White shirt. My point is I don't think City will be punished to the point where they wont recover very quickly. Those young teenagers in a few years will be old enough to start going over to PL matches in there 20's and 115 charges will mean nothing to them and a whole new wave of City fans as young adults will have arrived. It's no different to the wave of Man U fans in the 90's when they were winning all around them. I don't see too many UTD fans in their early teens outside of the ones who were given shirts by their parents at a young age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    I help out at that age level as well. You still see Utd and Liverpool shirts far out weigh the City ones. Kids tend to follow who their dad follows for the most part.

    The City ones are few and far between from my experience which is surprising given the success. You'd think it would move the needle a little more.

    Funny enough I think I've seen more PSG kits.

    Then obviously you get Real and Barca kits a lot as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,796 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    The thing I think is mad is the 5,6,7 year olds wearing Ronaldo Al Naasr jerseys or Messi Inter Milan jerseys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Players are massive with them more so than the clubs when it comes to outside the PL

    Hence the PSG kits - loads of Messi, Mbappe, Neymar and now Dembele.


    I'd hazard a bet a vast majority of them would see 1/2 PSG games a year late stage CL but the players are players they use on FIFA / FC 26 all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,408 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    An Inter Milan jersey with Messi on the back would be a mad one alright :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I agree with the PSG kits and Real, Barca. The City shirts do out number other PL clubs where I am. If Haaland didn't play for City I doubt half them would have City shirts on. They follow players these days rather than individual clubs I find.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    The point was NEVER that the same fan should make their way to 3 games in a week.

    The point is if the core group of City fans don't attend then nobody takes up the tickets. That is not the same situation we see at any other major club, especially ones that are successful year after year.



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