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General Premier League Thread 2025/2026 - See Post #1 for Mod Note

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭adaminho




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,796 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Season ticket applications were stopped for Liverpool about 15 years ago, and the current wait list is about 26 years to have the option to actually buy a season ticket. So no, they're not available for Liverpool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭nice bit of green


    I stand corrected, thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,217 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Arsenal and United with similar projected waiting lists too. I'd imagine that the calculation on those timelines is somewhat overblown and doesn't take into account the large numbers who won't take up the season ticket when their ballot comes up, last person I know to have got an Arsenal season ticket was waiting about 4 years.

    The overarching point stands though, despite having the second cheapest season tickets in the league, there just isn't the same demand for City tickets as the other 'big clubs' or indeed most of the clubs with substantial history.

    There are empty seats at every stadium for every match, season ticket holder falls sick and can't make it at too short notice for resale, travel plans are messed up for matchday ticket holders who have already purchased etc etc, but it's rarely as noticeable as the big gaps around the Etihad can be.

    Rather impressive that with the lower pricing and lower demand they still record such strong matchday revenue.....must be a few very specially reserved matchday tickets, 'selling' for big, big money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    I was in Manchester about 20 years ago and tried going to a City game and they made it annoyingly difficult for a casual, there were loads of tickets left but you still had to sign up to some kind of membership to buy one and this was a week or so before the match. This is long before the takeover too, looks like they've never cared too much about filling seats.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Liverpool have the longest waiting list but a much lower amount of season ticket holders than the other "big" clubs. Isn't that odd. Are they relying on the day tripers who spend more money? Bit harsh if that's the case on genuine fans on such a long list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Liverpool's season ticket waiting list has been closed for most of this century



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭cgorzy


    I don’t think Manchester City claim to be making as much through match day Revenue as any of the other Big 6 clubs. Match Day Revenue is a small enough part of overall Revenue for most clubs nowadays and within that a large portion of the revenue is Hospitality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    They have had effective season tickets at the same time, if you attend* 13+ games in a season it entitles you to buy tickets for every home game the following season

    *don't actually need to attend in practice, just buy the tickets

    So there's over 10,000 on that ladder where they're built up the credits decades ago and are guaranteed a ticket to every game every season

    So it's effectively the same as a season ticket even though it's not and the club can't reduce the amount of these 'general membership' tickets to move to being season tickets because they need to satisfy the demand of the 13+ credit owners and still be fair to the rest of the members outside this closed shop with a chance to get a ticket - so they can sell memberships which are £27-£43 a season

    The club has over 250,000 paid members trying to get between 13,000 and 21,000 tickets a game - about 125,000 members+ on average try to officially buy general membership tickets per game which is staggering as it's double Anfield's capacity.

    Since Covid they've introduced ballots to make it fairer, 13,000 tickets to each home game on a random lottery basis, which has made it a lot easier because it was getting to really be a closed shop. For the 'top 6' games, last game of the season, Everton, you still need at least 4 games from previous season to qualify (basically impossible through ballot on the other games alone) so those games remain a closed shop, as do away games obviously - zero chance of getting an away ticket in your name.

    And then, if that's not bad enough, there are 1,500 'Priority Rights Holders' who get a lifetime guarantee of home tickets for all cup games PLUS cup finals, FA Cup, Champions League - whatever. These people were shareholders at the time Hicks and Gillet took over the club in 2007 and it was the worst decision the club has ever taken with regards tickets. They keep trying legal routes to get out of it but this lifetime guarantee is iron clad apparently. So when Liverpool get to a Champions League Final, over 10% of their fan allocation go to shareholders from 2007. It's mental.

    Overall:

    • 250,000 members registered to buy tickets - on average over 125,000 attempt to buy tickets for each game
    • 34,000 season ticket holders
    • 1,500 priority rights holders
    • somewhere aroung 10,000 on 13+ credits - club are trying to say anti-fraud suspensions has this down to 4k now but fan groups dispute that
    • 26,000 in AutoCup schemes (guaranteed home tickets for FA, League and UEFA Cups - 3 separate registrations)
    • 13,000 available in the ballot
    • 7,000 hospitality seats
    • 3,000 away fan seats
    • 61,200 capacity


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,226 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    So I assume the City season ticket list is also over-subscribed ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Manchester City

    No Traditional Waiting List

    Manchester City season tickets sell out every season, without a traditional waitlist. Instead, any fan wishing to secure a full season ticket must first purchase a Flexi-Gold Season Ticket, essentially an advanced membership guaranteeing access to match tickets, without a permanent seat at the Etihad. Flexi-Gold holders who meet the criteria—based on previous season attendance and membership duration—are automatically invited to purchase a season ticket when renewals open.

    Yes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,745 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    The point is that all the other places they make their revenue are predicated on having this supposed monster of a rabid fanbase, eager to gobble up product. Like, that's what all these sponsorships are paying for — a connection to a massive existing fanbase. So it looks a bit weird that you supposedly have a fanbase big enough to justify revenues that outperform Man Utd and Arsenal etc, and yet have actual match-day interest that leaves empty seats at big games.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭adaminho


    But isn't a lot of that fanbase international? It's pretty hard to get foreign fans to games with only 2 weeks notice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,745 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Let's put it this way - if Liverpool, or Arsenal, or Man Utd had 2 weeks notice with available tickets for a potentially league defining home game, those seats would be filled, even if you required that every single one of those seat-fillers would come from abroad. There will always be a deluge of fans waiting to take up those spots.

    If you have a fanbase the size of the one they claim, then by default a percentage of them will have significant expendable income. Again, that's what you're buying with your sponsorship. Like, any fandom will be broken down financially into tiers; for instance maybe those who will passively follow but not pay, those who might buy a jersey every few years and maybe get a tv subscription, and those who will more actively participate in consuming club associated content. You don't get the revenues they get without having a solid basis that those fan numbers can be turned into cash money — if things are legit, obviously.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Liverpool Council estimated in their review report this year that 1.2 million fans attended the Liverpool FC victory parade in the city last May

    And that was a very rainy day where many fans couldn't make it because of train disruption, and the title had been won already weeks before

    Liverpool has a population of 500,000 and Liverpool FC is one of 2 Premier League teams in the city that sell out every game

    So I think it's safe to assume every seat would be filled for a title run in game even if it needed people to fly in from abroad or drive from all over the UK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,516 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Manchester derby in the fa youth cup this evening. Broadcast on TNT1.


    first chance to see JJ Gabriel for most and likely a player starting next season to become a huge star



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭FreshG


    Carrick for me those 13 games he managed are not to be snuffed at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭wassie


    If Arteta wins the PL or manages to do the double, that easily bounces a 15 game manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,516 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    No chance in reality.

    Done well while playing the game on easy mode (one game a week) and took over a squad overjoyed from being freed from a complete incompetent, same as Parieira at Forest.

    If Carrick can keep up the attacking output while curbing how absolutely porous they are in their midfield and defence then he’s a big contender next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,781 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,781 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Le Bris for me, but I'd say Arteta if they win the league as they have been top most of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,684 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    I'd say you could actually apply that to teams outside the 'Big Six' even. Leeds, Everton, Newcastle immediately spring to mind. Sunderland too most likely. The overall point that I agree with though is that City are a complete anomaly when it comes to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭cgorzy


    I think without the World Club Cup money Manchester City would have been behind Arsenal, Manchester United and Liverpool for Revenue last year. A Revenue stream the other 3 clubs didn’t have. Manchester United didn’t have Champions League Revenue either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    The point is if you can't make it to the game at a big club (especially when in the hunt for trophies) there is enough fans there that SOMEONE will take it.

    At City this doesn't happen time and time again. But they will publish accounts at the end of the year that says they bring in the same revenue as Real Madrid.

    Who are they selling to?
    Who are sponsors paying them to sell to?

    It doesn't add up, that the point.

    EDIT - And I am fairly sure Utd has a waiting list of about 120k people for season tickets. I'm sure Liverpool and Arsenal are have decent lists as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,819 ✭✭✭jacool




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    You'd have got some odds last summer on Keith Andrews or Michael Carrick getting that nomination



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,819 ✭✭✭jacool


    Iraola for me.

    At the start of the season Zabarnyi, Huijsen, Kerkez and Ouattara were transferred out, while on-loan Kepa went back to Arsenal. Half-way through the season arguably their best and most influential player, Semenyo leaves for Man City. They are on the edge of allowing Arsenal put at least one big paw on the trophy (Pablo won't be nearby) and qualifying for the Champions League, whilst potentially going 18 matches unbeaten, since Semenyo left.

    The last team to beat them in the league? Arsenal, 3-2, at the turn of the year.

    I respect Keith Andrews overachieving, but they only lost Mbeumo and Wissa, picking up Ouattara from the Cherries plus a very good keeper in Kelleher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭adaminho




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,781 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Brentford had been predicted to get relegated by so many.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    I think people thought Brentford would get relegated based on the fact they thought Keith Andrews wasn't up for the task, which was a bit unfair I think. They lost key players but they always seem to recruit well. Andrews has done well but they're not that much higher than they finished last season (they could technically still finish lower than last season, but also look good for Europe). I think he deserves to get nominated, but probably falls short of winning.

    Arteta has done really well at finding ways to win football games, and for that he deserves a lot of credit, and if they can get over the line, it wouldn't be a shock to give it to him.

    But for me it's between LeBris and Iraola. It's so hard to stay in the Premier League now when you're newly promoted, so for Sunderland to have gone the whole season without really looking in any danger is a real achievement.

    Iraola as well has got Bournemouth performing to more than the sum of their parts, which is really where you stand out as a manager (I think Carrick has Manchester United performing to the sum of their parts, after so long performing below, which is why he is nominated, but I don't think he's the winner), it's not impossible they get Champions League as well.

    Biased, but I think Emery will feel a bit aggrieved, drop off in form in 2026 but they were the only other club other than Arsenal or Manchester City who at any point looked to be making a bid for a title.

    1. Iraola
    2. LeBris
    3. Arteta
    4. Andrews
    5. Pep
    6. Carrick

    (from that list)



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