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Bertie Ahern rejoins Fianna Fail

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Bertie’s telling the truth - we don’t have enough houses for all the people wanting to live here which is driving rents & property prices out of reach of many .
    It’s worse for those paying their way ie working and getting a mortgage. If you don’t work it makes no great odds as the council or corporation will buy the house for you and pay your rent while you wait for your free house .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    This is not a surprise, we have always been like this, a nation of curtain twitchers who look to get one over on someone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Why do I need to judge anyone on merits? I am one person on this island of over 5 million.

    Statistics will do just fine here: after all, life is pretty much made up from statistics; it's a huge factor in how we plan, live, progress etc. And reading on the Congo and its makeup up as regards crime statistics, I'll take a pass on them…and that shouldn't be at all a reason to bandy about the racism card, which is what you seem to like bandying about on these discussions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Bertie probably has some quiet, standard issue low level mildly xenophobic Grandad type views but he clearly quickly twigged that the woman who opened the door was a total nutcase who should be in the more secure wing of a psychiatric unit and given medication to try and treat extensive brain rotting caused by snorting too much internet.

    When you're unexpectedly cornered by a loop the loop like this, be it in a pub, at a bus stop, or anywhere else, you throw them a bone of mild agreement just to humour them, so they won't go postal on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,615 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    What you are saying, I'm sure was said about Irish people moving to the UK when the IRA were planting bombs in mainland UK. When the reality was most Irish who moved there were decent people and hard workers who were totally against what the IRA were doing.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'what a lot of average ordinary people agree with' is a strange yardstick to use on whether he was right.

    i've not seen the video (and i've no interest in seeing it) but regardless of it being filmed surreptitiously, but you'd think a politician as long in the tooth as that would be more wary than that of saying stuff like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Since when was Ireland ranked number 1 in Europe, or the world as regards criminality?

    And to try compare Ireland and Britain, two islands with centuries of connections, peoples, history, cultures etc to people from 1000s a miles away with zero connection to Ireland in any way, and a country ranked 1 in Africa on the crime ratings, well….just beyond silly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Why do I need to judge anyone on merits?

    I tend to judge my neighbours on their merits.

    But you can use statistics if you want I guess.

    😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    In today's crazy world of what some politicians come out with, it was both sense and tame!!! Problem is not what he said, but people wanting to jump on the racist labeling of what he said!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, see your call here is to let them all in and lets get to know them nonsense…..this is the devious angle that needs to be stopped. And I don't think you're being at all sincere here. Most honest people would rely on hard cold stats and make a call there and then.

    And people from the Congo are not your neighbour, or ours!!! They are from the Congo



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    When Bertie Ahern was Taoiseach, mass immigration happened and tens of thousands of work permits were issued. He refused to take the optout most other EU countries had taken regarding EU labour migration.

    He had his chance. Its easy to oppose something when you are not in office anymore.

    Im old enough to remember in the wilderness years for FF of 1992-7, FF promised "zero tolerance" on crime. Instead there was suspended sentences.

    Though when he was in government he did pass the Citizenship Referendum which was a good thing, bringing us into line with the rest of the EU on birthright citizenship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,615 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    You could look at it another way, what have the Congo ever done to us? where as the UK is a very different story, our similar culture didnt stop them making our ancestors lives hell on earth. I suppose they were white though so its ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    What has skin color to do with it? Congo is in Africa, a long way away, and right now their country is riddled with crime and is very unsafe. This is because of people, nothing else. People. Now why would it be at all racist, bad, nasty for people here in Ireland (knowing what they know) to not be at all keen to open ther doors to people from The Congo?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,615 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    @Arseboxing I see what you are saying but as someone who works with the public and come across racist conspiracy theorist weirdos a lot.

    I either change the subject or pull them up on their rubbish straight away in a non confrontational way.

    I had one older lady last week describe my town as "very black" "they are causing a lot of trouble in Ireland" ah no, I dont think so I said. "they are, it was on the news" then she started off about the AGENDA. she could tell I wasnt on the same wavelength so she toned it down a bit from there. she said a black taxi driver once ripped her off, so she never gets a black taxi driver now. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,615 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Do you know anyone from the Congo? have you any friends from Africa? any neighbours?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    No….again, what has this to do with anything? I have had interactions in Ireland with people from Africa. So far I have never had a bad experience. This has nothing to do with the wider point, though.

    The statistics are there for a reason…I don't need to know a person from the Congo to interpret these statistics.

    I also don't need to get to know anyone from the Congo to have a view that opening our door to an influx of people from the Congo might not be a good idea. Bertie (someone I have no real love for) said something that in my view was sense, and that many would see as sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,615 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    I have met lots of Africans in Ireland, had African customers, play football with Africans etc no issues at all. Have had plenty of problems with my own Countrymen though. so can you not just live and let live? take people as you find them? Bertie really let himself down, why would he pander to a deranged individual like the one he met at the door. I always laugh at the our young people have to leave 😂 absolute rubbish, they want to leave to see the world. And its ok for them to head off to Canada and Australia but we dont want anyone coming into Ireland for some reason. A fair amount of what left Ireland for Australia was pure dregs of our society as well, lads who must have used fake passports or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Ah the old Irish people went to USA, Canada, Australia. Entered by applying for work visas and when in the country had to house and support themselves. Same as lads arriving from the likes of Somalia or the Congo with no ID. Countries that have constant savage ongoing wars that feature rape as part of war as well as burning alive. Have 99% of women undergoing FGM

    Also describing people from a huge continent like Africa as “Africans “ as if they were all the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,615 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Not Irish people went away, they are still going away.

    A couple of examples below.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/5969791/irishman-charged-one-punch-assault-stabbing-australia/

    https://www.thejournal.ie/patrick-kelleher-irish-charity-funds-australia-7004697-Apr2026/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    the Irish went all over the world argument I always found extremely dull, vacuous and bland as regards immigration into Ireland in the 21st century!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    That was his mistake, saying what the average ordinary people of Ireland think. It's all about what the rad left progressives thing these days, who cares what anyone else things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    Lads do we not have an entire thread already (the size if the Bible now) on immigration? We hardly need a new one just because da Bert happened to stumble on some bitter oul knuckle dragger on his rounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,186 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Yep, The Congo is about 6,500 kilometres away from Ireland.

    Ireland is an awful long way to come for people that just want to be ‘safe’ from something or someone’s.

    Context, Dublin to New York is about 5,000 kilometres..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,615 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    What if they just want to live here because they like cooler weather, the culture, the people, the scenery, the work life balance etc etc the same way Irish people move to any other Country. is that an issue for you? im not talking millions of people by the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,615 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    why? they are still going away. and they arent all angels, they werent in the past either.

    https://www.rte.ie/culture/2023/1104/1414347-the-nobody-zone-and-the-confessions-of-an-irish-serial-killer/

    There are good and bad in all races, people need to get that into their heads.

    I remember chatting a young Irish man one night while working, he said "I know We Irish aren't perfect but at least we wouldn't kill anyone" 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Quitelife




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    another argument I always found dull, that there are good and bad in all ethnicities/races. Yes, there are. But that doesn’t mean Ireland should import third world problems with a “sure let them all in and we’ll get to know them” open door policy nonsense!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    It’s extraordinary and embarrassing that this Bertie video is the headline news. You’d swear he had shouted death to immigrants from a fooking megaphone while marching up n down O’Connell street



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭dp22250


    He doesn’t look well at all. Very inflamed, is he sick?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    Usual hysterical media driven nonsense. Although you could say that anything that highlights the nonsense of our unlimited immigration policy and how the ordinary punter has to live with the effects of it is to be welcomed.



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