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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭jayo44


    He was credited to very good set piece plays by carrick I think he does a bit more then bibs. Maybe he is learning on the job but maybe there's capacity there for someome to learn on the job. Fergie had two main coaches and some background coaches near the end. It wasn't always best in class it was what fits the team and role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    He was collecting his wife from reception at Wilcox asked him to come do some coaching *absolutely did not happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    yeah, 2+1 maybe - if he does well enough next season they can activate the +1.

    Obviously if this was Chelsea they'd be offering him a 10 year deal.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    imo it has to be 3 year.
    If you give him a 2 year deal you have to be discussing a new contract next summer, as imo you can't be going into a season with your manager on 12 months notice.
    Which means, imo, Carrick is fighting for his job next season - which would likely impact the decisions he makes - he needs results now, not in a couple of years as players mature and develop.

    IMO Clubs should be working on a 3 year project plan, and the contract of the manager should match up with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    You could argue last summer, Amorims first, was the start of a 3 (or longer) year plan with the big investment in the front line, to be followed by the midfield this summer and so on. Amorim going loco with the media obviously but a spanner in the works so he had to go. But we are told that the structure now is such that the coach is not the be all and end all, so the change in coach does not affect the long term year plan Wilcox and Berrada are enacting.

    If you were buying players for a specific coach then yes, his contract should match this but we're supposedly not going to operate that way anymore.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭jayo44


    Would be great to get Carrick and staff announced before last home game of season. Might just leave it until lend of season at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,781 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Big mistake imo, I know I'm in the minority but this won't end well.

    Ah well I better strap in and get used to it and hopefully he is backed properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,522 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    me, you, mitch dont want him. i'm sure there are others.

    but yeah, hopefully they back him and we can all eat some humble pie after he succeeds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    we are told that, but to be honest I am yet to see real evidence of it. Still feels like the manager/coach is VERY important to the direction the club goes in recruitment.

    But even taking it as true, where the manager is more interchangable because the plan is beyond them, i still think you have to plan that your manager and recruitment will work out and expect that 3 year plan to be consistent - so you need to show faith in that manager.

    IMO you can't be saying our project is 3 years and we want to be [here] in 28/29 - but we are only giving you a contract to 27/28. To have the manager on board with your 3 year planning, imo they need to be seen as fully part of that plan.

    Otherwise you open yourself up to the manager making decisions to support his own job application, rather than what is best for the club long term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I obviously hope Carrick works out.

    While I have my concerns about how we play and set up, i know i am no genius so I can expect that Wilcox and Carrick are seeing similar problem patterns or issues.

    I can believe that the club will have plans to address the issues that I think we all mostly see.

    I just hope we see those plans get executed well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭kyleman


    Loads of polls done across the channels and vast majority of United fans would not give him the position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    Happy to see Carrick given a shot as I feel the realistic alternatives aren't all that appealing. Enrique isnt leaving Paris for us right now. Same as Nagelsmann at Germany, Tuchel at England and Carlo at Brazil. Iraola & Glasner I'm not high on. Carrick has done exceptionally well since coming in, has handled the media superbly and the squad seem to all enjoy working with him. Why rock the boat for a coach who'd be considered at the same level as Carrick rn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Don't see this working out too well either. Holland, Woodgate, Evans all defensive minded, just think we will really struggle with 4 competitions next season and his experience and tactics will be exposed. Hopefully I be proven wrong as well, but can't see it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Would Carrick have been seen as anywhere close to Iraola 6 months ago? or even McKenna.
    I just really fear we are focusing far too much on results, rather than performance - but i concede performances are caveated by squad quality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭kyleman


    By all accounts it’s more or less a done deal for Carrick.

    Hopefully he can be backed by a few decent coaches as very few available when he was appointed mid season.

    If INEOS really believe he is the man to take us forward I hope they give him a reasonable contract and back him properly in the transfer market .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭xtal191


    I agree, obviously hope it works and I'm fully behind him but I've a terrible feeling it'll go horribly. I do think what we do in the transfer market is much more important though.

    If I was Bruno I'd 100% be looking at my options in the summer, 32 in September and deserves to be challenging for the top trophies, don't see that happening with us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,186 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    Two years is adequate imo. He should fully expect that he'll be trying to prove himself next season.

    No manager at Utd ever gets time anyway, that's just the reality. It's a Goldfish bowl. Ten Hag and Amorim were under the microscope immediately.

    Only 4 months of PL experience. Practically no experience managing in Europe. And while the league results have been good, this has been an unusual season in the sense that the standard of Top 4/5 kind of plummeted (Liverpool, Chelsea, very poor, City below par, Newcastle a mess etc.).

    So there are still question marks for sure.

    He'll need a lot of help in the summer we all know to address the squad issues. That's another discussion of course

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,097 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Emery would be my first choice but I think he's also out of reach. Enrique is pie in the sky as he's at the best club in Europe. Tuchel and Carlo are making smart decisions to stick with England and Brazil. I don't get the Nagelsmann hype.

    Big fan of Iraola and would have liked to seen him in charge but I also wanted Thomas Frank to replace ETH so what do I know.

    Carrick has more than exceeded expectations since coming in. Hopefully there's a big ass bag of money to bring a minimum of five players in this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭jayo44


    The old saying is true... You're only as good as your results. Carrick was given a chance to steady the ship which he took with both hands. Carrick chose his back room staff and chose how to approach games and the lineups to pick.

    It wasn't good vibes alone it was identify weakness and playing to the strengths.

    If you ignore results sure amorim be still at the club have to base it on results it's so silly to take a punt on the next big thing and ignore what's in front of you SOMEONE GETTING RESULTS



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭fatherted1969


    In the last 10 years we've had former players, RVN, Ole, Giggs, Fletcher, Carrick, established high tier managers LVG, Mourinho, up and coming managers, Tenn Haag, Amorin. While Carrick isnt setting the place on fire imo he seems to have stabilised the squad and got a better tune out of some players. I can fully understand it if the club is thinking if its not broken then dont fix it. A few strong midfielders might make the world of difference to this team

    I'd like someone like Ancelotti myself, a safe pair of hands but unlikely to come back from the beaches in Brazil to the premiership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,781 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    It's not as Black and White like that.

    We've looked poor and been lucky at times, the other top teams have been poor, we've played 1 game a week and our style is counter attack, as soon as teams decide to sit back we're cooked. Carrick has also shown a weakness with subs and some baffling team selections.

    You can't ignore all those because of the results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    They are all reason not to give him the job on the first place. Now you've given it, give him a proper contract, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    I’m happy enough to see Carrick get a crack at the United job. The way he handled himself as interim boss showed a level of calmness, intelligence and professionalism that a lot of people probably didn’t expect at the time. He steadied the ship in difficult circumstances and you can see from the work he has done since that he clearly has something about him as a manager.

    That said I do have reservations about whether he’s the right appointment for where United are right now .Managing United full time is a completely different level of pressure and expectation compared to being interim boss and there’s no doubt it’s a gamble.

    Personally after Luis Enrique my first choice would be Andoni Iraola . I love the intensity and organisation his teams play with, and he has shown he can implement a clear identity without needing unlimited resources ( I think that point is huge ). His football is aggressive modern and entertaining but there’s also real structure behind it . He is Premier league proven over a sustained period and for me he feels like the kind of forward thinking appointment United should be making .

    Michael Carrick will have my full support if he gets it and as jayo says for the fantastic results alone that he has achieved so far, part of me is happy to see how far he can go with us , but if United were taking a punt outside the real big names then Iraola would be the one I would want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,878 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Iraola is the only gettable person I would be sorry to miss out on. If he goes to Chelsea I think her could do super there. or again, it's Chelsea so who knows!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭FrankN1


    12 month deal would be enough. Absolutely maximum 2 years. It's most likely this is gone south before the end of next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭jayo44


    It's very easy to get a long term contract with get out clauses. It be silly not to. I don't think it will be an issue with Micheal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,186 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    See your point but just don't agree here. He's a short term solution at this point - unless he can prove otherwise next season. And if he can….then, sure, reward him with an extension.

    If it goes pear shaped, just move him on.

    The likes of Enrique, Tuchel, Emery, Ancelotti and others are either not interested or not gettable anyway. So going with the sensible short term option on 2yr deal seems reasonable to me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    But then everything he will do next season and every input he will have to recruitment, will be coloured by the need to get results now. Obviously i am not saying that results are meaningless, we still need to be finishing top 5 - but if we want to build a league winning side then we have to be builing towards a league winning side - and that can mean making choices that are arguably sub-optimatal now because they will be better in the long run. That can be recruitment: Lammens and Sesko vs Martinez and Watkins. Or it could be tactical - playing a lower ceiling type of football cause the floor is higher, rather than trying to move towards a more 'league winning' style.

    Carrick may be a short term appointment - but it would be idiocy to treat him as such, cause you are just setting yourself up for failure imo - you can't, imo. marry long terms squad planning with short term manager thinking. It can happen because of failures, but you have to start with a better goal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,027 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Carrick was underrated as a player and he seems to be underrated not just as a manager but as a individual.

    However his life story is one of courage, strength and leadership.

    Im not saying he is the answer but I think people seem to think he be some sort of soft touch. Dont think he is or will be.

    EVENFLOW



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