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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "The man is an absolute disgrace and I hope his advocates on this thread might finally see him for what he is. Whether they can admit it or not is another question."

    He who is without sin let her throw the first stone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,091 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I guess that answers my question on whether Linehan's supporters would see him for what he is, or would admit it. Interesting that you went to a Christian religious reference.

    I think it's fascinating how some posters will turn a blind to anything certain people will do, so long as they're on the "right" side of the trans debate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well this thread is about Linehan's arrest at Heathrow following his posting a few jokes on unsocial media. The denial of his liberty is what concerns me not what happens on unsocial media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It would appear that most posters are happy to have a broader conversation about Linehan. 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,091 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Well said! I mean, there was a guy on here yesterday complaining about how cyclists are vulnerable road users and updating us on how often he goes to confession.

    Back on topic so, the increasingly extreme and wide-ranging scope of Linehan's utterances, and the increasing rate at which he's aligning himself with very unpleasant people and very dangerous positions, make it seem less and less likely to me that he was "just making harmless jokes".

    But again, what fascinates me most is the blind eye that continues to be turned because anti-trans is the be all and end all for some people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    They don't need my permission to do so. What I object to is the insinuation that support for Linehan over his arrest is somehow indicative of a wider approval for everything else he says or does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The hole in this argument is that there was no objection above to the idea that I am fine with JK Rowling getting rape threats. Not one of the pro-Linehan posters took issue with this. Not a single one.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well apart from the children's charity she founded in 2006 and which is still going, Lumos, or the hundreds of thousands of pounds she donated to rescue female lawyers who were on a Taliban kill list*.

    https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/harry-potter-author-jk-rowling-helped-afghan-lawyers-flee-the-taliban/

    But hey, somebody's search on X didn't throw up a comment from her about a specific Dutch man with a child abuse conviction, ergo Rowling does nothing that's not trans-related. 🤔

    * That was done secretly, and it only came out later, so it's more than likely that there's more than just those
    two that I happened to know of. The point is, comments on X, or on here, are not evidence of useful acts.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "Back on topic so, the increasingly extreme and wide-ranging scope of Linehan's utterances, and the increasing rate at which he's aligning himself with very unpleasant people and very dangerous positions, make it seem less and less likely to me that he was "just making harmless jokes".

    Here we see the thought police argument at work. 'The defendant's actions may appear innocent but viewed with the perspective of hindsight were clearly inspired by anti-social criminal inclinations.'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Why is it ok for Linehan to try to destroy the career of Kevin Bakhurst? This is why the cancel culture argument is nonsense. There's no such thing. What does exist are bullies like Linehan who through their weight around to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

    Fortunately, Linehan has spent that past decade thoroughly debasing himself so nobody's too bothered what he says about anyone.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The hole in your argument is that is that my not getting involved in some debate about JK Rowling is indicative of some opinion I have on the matter.

    "Why is it ok for Linehan to try to destroy the career of Kevin Bakhurst?"

    LOL, Linehan has zero power to get the DG sacked, same with deciding if Father Ted is shown instead of Eurovision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭plodder


    Do you seriously think that Kevin Bakhurst is worrying about his job this morning? I don't think I'd compare that with Linehan's actual cancellation. I also wouldn't say "nobody is too bothered" what Linehan says either. There's 40 odd pages of talk about it here.

    I thought it was funny last night when one of the first items on the radio news bulletin was Israel getting to the final. Have to agree with the sentiment here as well. We can indulge ourselves with our protest. But, nobody else gives a sh!t.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Have to agree with the sentiment here as well. We can indulge ourselves with our protest. But, nobody else gives a sh!t.

    Bit of a dishonest tweet from that lady.

    RTE News clearly said RTE and other Broadcasters.

    They been.

    RTÉ was one of five broadcasters along with fellow European Broadcasting Union (EBU) members, Spain's public broadcaster RTVE, Dutch broadcaster AVROTROS, Iceland's RUV and RTV Slovenia who announced their decision to boycott the show in December.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Of course not. It just proves that it's one rule for the likes of Linehan and one for others.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭scottser


    I just thought it was funny that a man even attempted to tell women what a woman is. Now as a goyim he's trying to tell us what is and isn't antisemitism.

    I think Ricky Gervais has it right when he says that some people genuinely believe that their opinion is as valid as actual facts. Linehan is just making a fool of himself here. Unfortunately he'd find a ready and willing audience in the States.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭greyday


    There are a lot of people on this thread trying to tell actual biological women what a woman is, I kid you not!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,091 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Have to agree with the sentiment here as well.

    Eilis O'Hanlon is extremely anti-trans, fair enough.

    She's also very opposed to abortion and a keen supporter of Trump. Hmmm.

    Now she is ridiculing RTE and Ireland for boycotting Eurovision in protest at a genocide.

    Do you see a pattern here?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭greyday


    Any evidence you can provide for this?

    It has been said many times that women having single sex spaces is not anti trans but you continue, also having sex category sports is not anti trans.

    Being against allowing abortion up to term is also not against abortion and so on and on and on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    We know rowlings "true agenda" because she has given hundreds of millions to charitable causes over the years and has been personally involved in helping many women and children. Your attempt to smear her as not caring just because she didn't say anything about this one thing is absolutely pathetic. You have zero evidence that she even knew about it and ignored it either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    A male with DSD is male though. The DSD that Imane Khelif suffers from is not one that females can even have.

    As for evidence, the admission by Khelif's own trainer of using testosterone reduction because of a "chromosome problem" is pretty good evidence. There's no "chromosome problem" that means women have high testosterone levels.

    Or there's this:

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    That's Khelif's "chromosome problem", aka, having male chromosomes.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    How the arguments are framed by one side in this debate is amazing. Rowling not commenting, I dunno if she did or didn't I'm just going on what's on in here, on the van de Velde case is no way comparable to the Khelif and Yu Ting cases.

    There is ethical considerations to take into account for van de Velde to compete in the Olympics but he did meet the eligibility criteria. Both Khelif and Yu Ting had previously failed to meet the eligibility criteria to compete and the reasons why they were now allowed to compete in the Olympics didn't add up, effectively the IOC just ignored the failed tests. These are different cases.

    Like many things on the trans side people start with their desired outcomes that Rowling is bad and then work backwards to get there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    JK rowling bullying people online is as bad as the people bullying her online. Good luck trying to frame these actions as benign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I don't think she's complained about people "bullying" her online so much as the actual rape, kidnap and murder threats made against her and members of her family. I remember someone posting a photo of the outside of her home in Edinburgh with an address, actively encouraging others to turn up there "to protest". I'm pretty certain she's never done anything of the sort herself to anyone, so maybe you should only compare what's actually comparable?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    It was uncalled for by me, to be fair. And goes to show: making stuff up about people (especially non stop) is just not cool.

    Post edited by Mother Shaboobu on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    You're doing that thing of pretending they're talking about something else - so clever!

    But as they said, your lack of self awareness is off the scale. To state - without hesitation or shame - that you never throw out claims without evidence, is astounding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    She's not right-wing - bullsh1t allegation.

    And people are just responding to the vile, despicable, scumbaggy claims that she doesn't care about women. Sick of men like you lot. Demanding people condemn stuff yet never condemning similar stuff yourselves - which by your logic means you don't care either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,922 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    What's with the over use of British tabloid level adjectives? It's really tiring.

    DISPICABLE! VILE! Sounds like bloody Mary Whitehouse on a rant.



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