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Leinster House Bicycle Shed

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Cork is very hilly so cycling is difficult. Im happy to be proven a cynic but i cant imagine a nurse jumping on a bike after a twelve hour shift in A+E. Maybe the admin folks.

    What if the nurse has no alternative to get home?

    Just to add, a bike shelter for ten bikes, concrete floor and perspex roof, would cost about 8k.

    Just because it is cheap does not mean it is value for money. How secure would that be for starters?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm in a hospital in Cork a few times a week atm and can confirm that staff do cycle to work. It's really not hellishly difficult to cycle in Cork. On top of that, staff have to do a park and ride to parking depending on which hospital they're working in so it ends up quicker to cycle.

    Also the facility you just described absolutely wouldn't be secure. This ends up costing about 3 grand per bike. It pays back in terms of utility pretty quickly and staff have the peace of mind that their bikes are safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Lofidelity


    https://www.pittman.ie/products/dublin-bike-shelter

    I park my bike in something like this. Your bike is only as secure as your lock. A good D lock costs about €50 +.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,494 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    doesn't make it good value. bikes and cyclist aren't heavy. So the ground work needed isn't massive. we put in concrete pad for a mobile home 2 years ago in wexford , and were charged €3k. The base could be done for less than €10k.

    whats above ground shouldn't costs 126k

    this stores 120 bikes and costs €40k

    The Gull Wing Security Enclosure

    16 bikes in clear polycarbonite €9k

    Bristol Bike Compound



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Lofidelity


    If you are on your feet all day, doing manual work, then what you really want is your car or a bus waiting to take you home.

    Im not anti bike, i cycle myself. But anything about bike shelters, bike lanes, public transport seems to attract antagonistic replies on boards.ie. I think the government should be more prudent when spending our money and get better value. Theres no harm questioning these things. Nothing wrong with bike shelters, just stop wasting money on over engineered ones.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    That lock will do precisely nothing to stop anyone remotely determined from robbing the bike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I generally agree with your sentiment. The issue is that all too often (almost always) the focus on value for money only ever crops up when it comes to non-car related transport infrastructure. In other words, any attempt to look at the value for money or value to society in the amount spent pandering to car travel (most of which is not essential but borne of convenience) is immediately shot down. As you say, the discussion just seems to attract antagonistic responses (on both sides tbf). But the balance in terms of focus is very much skewed. We'll all grow up some day and be able to have the discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    These glass things aren't sheds. A shed is something you can do forbidden things behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You are speaking to someone who has done 12hr shifts on my feet and cycled home.

    I agree with you about people like the HSE spending too much on stuff and have seen it first hand. I haven't disagreed on the price of this shed.

    But i dont agree about lies like Cork being too hard to cycle or same after doing a 12hr shift. I have seen more than enough of both with my own eyes.

    I also don't agree that a lockable bike shed with charge stations is over engineering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    A good D lock will take about 2 minutes to angle grind through



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Im twenty years cycling and parking bikes in Dublin. I use a kryptonite D lock on a commuter bike maybe worth €300 now. No theft ever. A hospital campus has security. If someone is determined to steal a bike, then they will need tools. On a busy campus, you would hope the alarm would be raised.

    If you want to keep your bike, buy a discreet one and a good quality lock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Lofidelity


    A locked door on an expensive bike shed will take about 2 minutes to pick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭josip


    At times like this it's useful to remind ourselves what's the norm in Scandiland. Those who we love comparing ourselves to when it comes to cycling and who we constantly try to emulate. Here are the bike racks at some of the hospitals in Copenhagen. Most of them will be unlocked. To repeat the oft repeated phrase, "why can't we do the same here?".

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    The scrotes in Dublin cut through locks in daylight, in full view of people, using portable battery angle grinders.

    I'd say the only reason your bike hasn't been taken is because they'd get feck all for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Highly unlikely as doors can be made far more secure, and can't easily be cut through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I'm a close observer of such matters and angle grinders to steal bicycles aren't used much. More often the thief uses brute force often using the bike itself as a lever. A €50 D-lock will certainly be more use than a €15 one from Decatlon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Lofidelity


    The same scrotes can operate in a bike shed, no matter what it cost.

    Linger at the door, when a cyclist comes along, hold the door and walk in behind them. Pretend you are doing something until they leave, then get your tools out and take your pick.

    The real issue is bad locks and no action taken on bike thieves. The cost of the shelter or shed wont fix that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    This bike shed has CCTV and is wired I believe, which adds to cost but also security as CCTV is a potent deterrent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Bike sheds are like locks, there to try deter bastards from robbing. If someone wants to rob something they will invariably find a way. All we can do is try slow them down enough to be able to stop or catch them. I'm all for secure bike sheds, and my guess is so is anyone who has ever had a bike robbed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Interesting debate on newstalk this morning on government spending and value for money. Bike shelters get an honorable mention. Albert Dolan TD and Dan O'Brien, economist broadly agreeing. Civil service say they are only following the rules but the public say they could buy the same thing for much less. The more tax rolls in, the more the government spends.

    As Biggie said, "mo money, mo problems"



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