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Avoiding Halal slaughter plants

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,433 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Dont we pay enough taxes to the state in one form or another? I was just studying Acorns as a food source the other day before domesticated wheat in Europe. Acorns were a huge source of food until the Roman Empire/early Christanity made little of them. Wheat tied you down and made you wealth estimateable and taxable. "Give us this day our daily bread", "He would gladly have eaten the scraps the pigs were eating" "St Patrick had to eat the acorns the pigs were eating". People laughed a me when I told them about acorns, now they were thinking afterwards of acorns as an alternative to bread/beer/lifestock feed.

    The Roman Catholic Church does not tax food that I know of but it still looks for money for Peters Pence to pay for the loan for the finance for the Crusades. The tax on soft drinks is to pay for the Boer war apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,433 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    When you sell a bale of hay, you just bill the item. The cost of the item is time, fuel, harvesting, depreciation of machinery etc etc. Much the same as with insurance, its a cost of doing business. You dont write a reciept for a bale plus the insurance cost. Also there is a confidentialty clause in the Halal contract. If everyone pays it at 2.1% then it adds up fairly fast. Obviously the supermarkets and the meat factories were the first to adopt it. Eventually it will make its way down to farmers and the transport. Because you cannot see it does not mean it is not there or will never reach you.

    there is also the narrow view it is just beef. It is all meat (including pork and poultry), bread and other food stuffs, cosmethics, Medical devices and pharmaceuticals. you also will not get funding for UN sustainable projects, unless they are complaint also in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,860 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    you clearly have never seen a factory docket. Every tax and deduction (including. Insurance) is accounted for lot to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Avoiding halal meat production in Ireland could potentially put hundreds of millions of euro at risk. Ireland exports halal certified beef and lamb to dozens of huge markets across Europe, the Middle East, Asia and parts of Africa. The global halal food market serves nearly 2 billion Muslims across more than 50 Muslim majority countries, along with large Muslim populations in countries like France, the UK and Germany.

    For Irish farms, the impact would be devastating. Less access to export markets means less competition for cattle and lambs at factories, lower prices paid to farmers and fewer outlets for Irish produce.

    The hit to Irish beef and sheep farmers would be huge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,433 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    True but what is the social cost of Halal to our society. Sure when we were flat broke in the 1970s it was amazing for jobs but is it what we need for other things we are told that we HAVE to accept?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I guess trade offs exist in every export industry. Ireland produces halal meat mainly because we are an export driven agricultural country selling into global markets, not because the state or anyone is trying to impose religion on society. If we stop, we will HAVE to accept lower cattle and lamb prices (which is fine for me!), fewer export outlets, weaker competition at factories, reduced livestock values, declining rural employment tied to processing and haulage and, inevitably, farm closures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    In most European markets, R/S meat is indistinguishable from non R/ S meat at consumer level . This in itself raises the question of how much of it is being consumed by non Muslims and Jews .
    The exemption in animal welfare legislation to allow Halal and Kosher slaughter was merely to allow those communities to purchase it. It was never intended that meat from these methods would be generally available .
    It seems to have become so indistinguishable in the UK that consumers don’t know what they are eating . When the far right refer to creeping Muslim influences in otherwise Christian societies , they have a perfect example in this.

    All animals should be unconscious at slaughter full stop .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Yeah, good point, excellent post and I take everyone's point in the humane killing. I knowingly buy halal meat the odd time and I suspect I eat it a lot when I'm dining in certain restaurants. Most consumers wouldn’t know the difference unless it was specifically labelled. I think the more reasonable position is probably transparency to stop the “creeping influence” panic you talked about. You're point is if someone wants to avoid halal or kosher meat, fair enough, they should be able to make an informed choice.

    Edit… Sorry, I forgot to add, if the beef and lamb farming community is genuinely united against halal meat, to the point that farmers are willing to lose major export markets, take lower factory prices, or go through an expensive business pivot or loose their farms… then fair enough.

    But that has to be their call, not something imposed by people like me who don’t depend on livestock farming for a living. It’s very easy to demand purity from the sidelines when someone else carries the financial hit!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭148multi


    Do you have proof that animals destined for halal are not stunned before being slaughtered



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,433 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    You see the just cattle market. What about the other Halal compliances we have to do? They have nothing to do with Irish society and our way of life. We should be looking at what the future holds for us and see where things are heading. Look at who is speaking and what they are actually saying.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,064 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I know very little about this so I had to look up the situation.

    The Halal certificate board request that 100% of animals killed for halal are pre stunned before slaughter.

    So is all the talk of animal welfare just rumours and lack of understanding of current practice ??


    if the certification calls for stunning we certainly shouldn’t be throwing away this valuable market if all that is needed is a bit more auditing and enforcement. Markets other than the U.K. are very important going forward and not to be messed astound with based on a whim or because of religious in intolerance which I suspect is somewhat behind this.

    Remember, we have extremist groups stirring this nonsense up and funding people who do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    You could be right, It's extremely likely I'm ignorant of everything we have to comply with outside cattle and sheep!! What are the further compliances?

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