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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The Sun saying on youtube that Ukraine has actually advanced in the Kostyantivka sector. The Russians are trying to get to Kramatorsk from the south, to bypass the defences, but so far are failing.

    Ukraine actually gained more territory than Russia did in the last month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    https://kyivindependent.com/german-defense-minister-visits-kyiv-to-discuss-arms-production/

    1500km range… it sucks to be Russia and having so much airspace to defend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭zv2


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    ….

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I suppose trucks ,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    What is this about??

    PUTIN “SAW THE LIGHT” after the parade!

    According to sources close to the Russian president’s administration, after the parade Putin held a closed-door meeting and, for the first time in a long while, openly admitted that the war must be ended. He reportedly said the following almost word for word:“We cannot continue. This is leading us to catastrophe.”

    The Kremlin has allegedly begun urgent preparations for ending the war.

    • The General Staff has reportedly been instructed to start developing a mechanism for withdrawing troops from Ukraine.
    • Diplomatic channels (through Turkey, China, and intermediaries) have already been activated to launch a negotiation process.
    • Witnesses claim Putin looked pale, nervous, and for the first time in many months appeared genuinely broken.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    PUTIN “SAW THE LIGHT”
    to be fair, bunkers are naturally dark places 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    I won't believe a thing until I see outcomes. I also read that Lukashenko told him some truths that he was not fully aware of on account of leading a mafia of yes men. The only reason I could see Lukashenko being brave enough to be frank with him is that he can't see things ending well for himself either on the current trajectory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭denismc


    Now that he has seen the light he should do the world a favour and walk towards it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭seenitall


    There is no light where he is going. Well maybe some from the sulphuric flames. 🔥



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Here is an interesting article from Anne Applebaum in the Atlantic

    In a tweet about this she said:

    "Four years ago, President Vladimir Putin offered Moscow and its business elite a de facto deal: 'support my war in Ukraine, and in exchange you won’t have to think about it.' In the past week, that deal was broken."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    From John Simpson:

    Could things ACTUALLY be falling crumbling for Putin. It does look like we are near the end of this with voices like John Simpson and Ann Applebaum talking about it?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The readers added context bit says the report does not say he said the part on withdrawal from Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭wassie


    Responding to the proposal, Kaja Kallas, the EU’s top diplomat, told journalists in Brussels before a meeting of foreign ministers: “First, if we give Russia the right to appoint a negotiator on our behalf, that would not be very wise.”

    Kallas said Schröder could not be considered an impartial mediator given his past work as a “high-level lobbyist for Russian state-owned companies”. She said: “It is clear why Putin wants him to be the person, so that actually he would be sitting on both sides of the table.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭wassie


    German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius is calling BS on Putins "peace signals".

    At least someone is prepared to do so to help counter TACO Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    The only reason Lukashenko is saying something to Putin is to shake him up for some moolah. On the other hand, Putin is skint now, so Lukashenko might be working for Xi and Trump now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,047 ✭✭✭✭josip


    If Russia finally want to talk, then now is definitely not the time to talk.

    Push them back to the 2014 border and do all the talking then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    There really can be only one end to this war: a total withdrawal of all Russians from Ukraine's internationally recognised territory and the return of all the children they've kidnapped.

    Negotiations can cover the amount of reparitions owed, the mechanisms by which they'll be collected, the size of the demilitarised buffer (inside Russian territory) and the wording of Russia's public apology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,380 ✭✭✭Field east


    re Shroder being a neutral go between , IMO there are two possible scenarios from the Ru perspective:-

    (1) It’s a ruse by Ru to ‘prove ‘ to the world that it is genuinely interested in negotiating a peaceful settlement - even suggested a facilitator. Is it not Ukr’s turn to nominate someone. Putin got his nominee the last time when Steve Birchoff was/ still is the ‘go between’.

    And while all of this is going on ie tooing and frooing with names , etc, to start addressing the issue of a peaceful settlement Ru is doing something else to continue the war .

    (2) has Putin decided that he has reached his limits. He now sees that Ukr is now getting the upper hand , is gaining more and more territory by the month, is decimating the Ru supply lines behind the front lines, is reaching further and further into the Ru ‘Outback’ with drones and missiles, is increasingly destroying critical infrastructure, etc, etc, etc.

    So , it may ‘ suit’ Putin to bring the SMO to a halt , stop the haemorrhaging of his economy and avoid a coup/ uprising AND WHEN THINGS SETTLE DOWN to go at it again in a few years time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    ”when will this end” ask Russians, turns out murdering millions and kidnapping kids and torturing prisoners and destroying cities was fine, but now their internet is gone they are “concerned”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    That's very concerning. I wonder what our resident Friends of Putin make of this cauldron? Because even through the fog of war we can see them lurking in their comment 'likes'. The silence says it all really.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    If we are actually witnessing the point of diminishing returns for Russia, it's good…but I'm also a little surprised, I was imagining it would take a couple more years at least before we got to this point.

    What will be interesting to see now is if my earlier theory of there being screams of "Peace Treaty Now!" from the various types of Russia supporters out there. If the days of advancing into Ukraine are over, then I expect a desprite push to hold onto what they have already grabbed.

    My hope is that Ukraine excercise patience…keep their head down…keep chugging along retaking turf…and eventually get to a point where the only realistic deal is for a total withdrawal of Russian forces from the internationally recognised 1991 borders of Ukraine, and potentially some kind of UN-Monitored DMZ on the border ala Korea.

    Thereafter, Ukraine does what they damn well please with their independant nation. Join EU? You got it! Join NATO? If the members manage to agree..sure!

    And as for Russia…one would hope there's some room for learning from all of this…one would hope for a future Russia where such a thing would never happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭vswr


    It's fascinating how long Rosenberg has been operating in Russia, and managed to stay the right side of them for so long.

    There have been other reporters locked up in peacetime for half of what he has reported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭scottser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭zv2


    I tend to give these peace signals some credibility because one effect of announcing an end to the war is to deflate the morale of Russian soldiers - "what's the point of dying when the war will be over in a few weeks?"

    I hope this leads to mass surrender of Russians.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    'And as for Russia…one would hope there's some room for learning from all of this…one would hope for a future Russia where such a thing would never happen again.'

    I'll take things that won't happen for 2000, Alex.

    It's RuZZia. It's what they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,263 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Things may be getting worse in Russia, but we have heard these "Russia on brink of collapse" rumors plenty times before.

    I'd be very cautious about believing them, and unfortunately this war could still have many years to go.

    There is no limit to what Putin is willing to endure when it comes to the suffering of the Russian people. Russia is basically a kleptocracy anyways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Ukraine doesn't need to bomb civilians and civilian infrastructure when the Russian state itself is the main enemy of its own people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I presume nominating Schroder was a 'set up to fail' device, given his obvious unacceptability to all parties other than Putin himself and probably his sock-puppet Trump. They can then claim as usual that the Europeans and Ukrainians are being unreasonable and bellicose. The 'sitting at both sides of the table' jibe was a good one - Kallas as the former Estonian PM would know.

    Whether there's more going on than a typical Putin stunt to humour Trump, it's hard to know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    ..and the transfer of the murderers, rapists, torturers, kidnappers and pillagers to the ICC.



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