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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think the professionalism of SCOTUS is being undermined by that.

    I was watching a documentary on the Gilded Age recently (late 19th-to about 1920s). The influence the billionaires had on the courts reduced judges to vassals. It feels similar. In some ways its like the Middle Ages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,065 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Jim Jones was also competent at amassing popular/fanatical support.

    Completely incompetent as a leader, maybe moreso than trump (Jones wins on % killed off, trump would win on pure numbers with his COVID response and depending how you classify his support for Israel in Gaza and declaring war on Iran).

    When trump isn't failing upwards, he's squandering his money, declaring bankruptcies and wiping out anyone who put their trust in him.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    President Trump has upended the U.S. refugee program to prioritize mainly white Afrikaners. NY Times White House correspondent Zolan Kanno-Youngs reports Trump is now considering doubling the amount of white South Africans he allows into the country. Reports he may declare another state of emergency to allow it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It would appear the legislature in Virginia tried to be too clever by half and got called on it. If you’re going to gerrymander successfully, you need to do it legally. That way the court won’t call you on it.

    If you believe that is an inaccurate reflection of what happened in Virginia, please point out the flaw in the court’s logic as quoted in my earlier post. It does not take a law degree to understand the situation and that the Commonwealth basically attempted to present the court with a fair accomplit, perhaps because they realized that a challenge might be successful. Note that the court didn’t say that democrats couldn’t gerrymander, they did say that they couldn’t shortcut the mechanism to do it within Virginia’s legal structure.

    Obviously it goes without saying that it would be preferable to have a system which does not permit gerrymandering, but it seems that as long as both sides think the process is in their favour, it’s not going to stop. It’s worth noting that even after the Texas redistricting, the results aren’t as lopsided as some other states.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Trump is winning an unusually large percentage of the time with this Supreme Court, by historical standards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭scuba8


    I believe that the Dems were trying to gerrymander with the consent of the people to in order to counter the Republicans in the South. They actually should have just done it by edict as the Republicans did. With a Republican majority on the Virginian Supreme Court Court they were never going to support redistricting in favour of Democrats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    On the topic of Trump's competence, I'd suggest probably speaking in the past tense. He did certainly have a manipulative cunning as well as an appeal to the worst parts of human nature, all of which he had some skill in using to get where he did. But that was a decade ago, and the evidence today is that it's gone. Seems though that he's not yet enough of a liability for the people behind him to get rid of him, and that's the personality cult at work.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Unless you count Tennessee and Florida, but rules are just for suckers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,623 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    That's AI ....ai generated text anyway

    "When [w] relies on [x], [y] begins to [z] "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,950 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    What is becoming more and more apparent is that courts, when so inclined, can form the result they want and reverse engineer the legal argument to bring them there.

    Judicial Independence is therefore crucial.

    What is extremely concerning is that Trump's judicial appointees, when questioned, have displayed a blatant reluctance to go against the trump narrative that he won in 2020 and that he is not precluded from running in the next election. (I posted a video of that recently).

    Therefore, I would not assume courts where Trump appointees are sitting are impartial on the issue of gerrymandering.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,422 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Your position sums up the destruction of US democracy perfectly.

    Sure, its terrible but they are all at it.

    Trump spotted that and knew that if he had people on his side they would accept anything to get one over the other side. Little by little, and not so little in some cases, he is dismantling the very core if democracy and his able to without any push back because he has convinced enough people that the other side will do it next.

    We are watching the real time destruction of US democracy from within and seeing it met with a shrug.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,950 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Do you remember any tv show you used to watch in which a particular character appeared, who was so wacky and "out there" they didn't last long in it and ultimately was quietly sidelined?

    Yeah, so Sidney Powell is back....

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    At least we might get another court ruling with significant damages....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,714 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Including in our own country.

    Im sure if I as a private individual my planned all singing all dancing bike shed would come in under 12k. Not 127,000



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,309 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's the point. They want to roll back American society to the age where the oligarchs dominated everything and wielded untrammelled power. We can see that with the tax cuts, erosion of the social contract and grotesquely unrepresentative government.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If you believe that is an inaccurate reflection of what happened in Virginia, please point out the flaw in the court’s logic as quoted in my earlier post.

    To be fair, I feel like the dissent points it out fairly well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    Netanyhu controls Donnie's strings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Ironically, SCOTUS is now going to be asked to rule of the Virginia case, after allowing GOP redistrictings to go ahead elsewhere, including primaries being postponed for which early voting had begun. It'll be interesting to see how that goes.

    I agree neither side should be gerrymandering but that would assume the US is a fully functioning democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,800 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    I see that Stephen Colbert had Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Myers & John Oliver on last night. He has Tom Hanks, Barack Obama, George Clooney & David Letterman and a host of big names coming up in the next 2 week before his final show.

    Expect 2 weeks of TV related verbal diarrhoea from the Citrus Ceasescu, in between flipflopping on Iran and crying about his ballroom.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The logic in the dissent is terrible. It explains how people who are voting in the 45 days prior to election day are not conducting an election (pp. 33 & 34). If Republicans want an argument as to how early voting is a bad thing and should not be allowed in an election, the dissent's position that early voting is definitively not the election is a pretty good startpoint for them. The dissent goes on to says that the Eleventh Circuit's admonishment that "we are in the middle of it [the election], with printed ballots already printed and mailed" is merely 'hyperbole' and should not be considered. (p41.)

    The dissent takes no quarrel with the principle stated by the majority, that Virginia's Constitution requires a double-check before a change is made: That the people be allowed to vote for new representatives to provide an indirect check on the legislature proposing a referendum, and then if the new legislature is still interested in putting the referendum forward, then the people get to vote on the referendum itself. It then completely undermines that principle by saying, in effect, that "if the legislature proposes a referendum on day 44, and you voted in the month and a half prior to that, tough."

    The dissent also does not address, let alone refute, the majority's point that the Commonwealth cannot have it both ways, that the court cannot review a referendum before the people vote, and also cannot review it afterwards if the people vote in favour of it. They doubtless realise that that is a double-edged sword which can be dramatically abused.

    If I were to put this description absent the context of Virginia and say it came from, say, the Texas Supreme Court (assuming Texas had similar laws to VA), would you really be satisfied with it as an appropriate position?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The logic in the dissent is that the definition of "the election" is quite clearly meant to mean the election day. Otherwise elements such as no one being obliged to do military service "during an election" would make absolutely no sense.

    I am, ultimately, aware that this is a Virginia constitutional issue, but the USSC is currently issuing judgements that completely fly in the face of it as well.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    You are making an assumption there. As is, to be fair, the dissent, given it doesn't actually do any analysis of its own comment given, as far as I know, the Art 2 s9 has never been tested. It's an old law, and it's quite possible that a literal interpretation is nonsensical in practice, just it never got updated to reflect current practices.

    It very obviously refers only to the state military, as shown twice 1) In that the state has no jurisdiction over the federal government's organs. 2) Given that military facilities in Virginia such as the Pentagon or Fort Belvoir do not operate at reduced manning on election day, crisis or no crisis. To my knowledge, in the last (at minimum, given it's in the 1902 constutition at least and earlier ones are a bit tricky to read the scans) century the Virginia military has never been called to service during a time not "of war or public danger", and certainly not in the time during which early voting has been authorised. There is no reason to believe that a Constitutional provision which predates the invention of the automobile and is supposed to give time for the individual to vote should not also cover the time the individual requires to get to his polling site. Otherwise the Norfolk soldiers of 1902 could be compelled to military service in Jonesville the day before the election and the day after the election, and good luck to them actually getting to their polling site and back.

    Given that in the English language it is not unusual for a word to have multiple meanings and we're supposed to look at the intent behind the legislature when determining which one it was, what do you think was the intent of the legislature when it made the provisions of either early balloting or protections from miliitary service during the electoral process?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Seriously..How many times was Joe Biden caught on camera appearing to be dozing compared to this tool?

    It seems like there are examples several times a week with Trump which feels like a LOT more than ever happened with the allegedly "sleepy" Joe Biden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,576 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And the posters who were oh so worked up about 'sleepy' Joe they couldn't stop using it as punctuation have absolutely zero interest in it when Trump does it. At least with 'sleepy' Joe we could go to sleep at night knowing he and his team were a safe pair of hands and weren't going to pull any dangerous stunts as opposed to this administration of the deranged, depraved, the blood thirsty, the openly corrupt.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Inflation hits a Trump all time high

    On Tuesday, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) revealed that the annual headline rate of inflation rose to 3.8 percent in April from 3.3 percent in March, reaching its fastest pace since May 2023 and the highest level across both of Trump's terms in the White House. Consumer prices were up 0.6 percent on a monthly basis following March's 0.9 percent increase.

    Huge flurry of "FAKE NEWS" and "BUT BIDEN" posts from Trump incoming shortly…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭bored65


    there’s one of them in Iran thread giving out about Trump with a history of giving about Biden/Harris and celebrating Trumps win



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,309 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    James O'Brien calls it the "footballisation of politics".

    Lefties and Liberals generally judge actions as being good or bad. For Conservatives and the right, it's people who are good or bad. Falling asleep or slurring words was bad when Biden did it because he's a bad person. When Trump does it, it's fine because he's on the side of the angels.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,623 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Are you sure you don't have that the wrong way round?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,309 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think I'd refine it somewhat to say that the left are generally more open to being critical of the "bad" actions of someone they consider good whereas the right generally speaking will allow themselves to ignore the "bad" actions of those they consider good , even if they have been very critical of those same actions when carried out by people they consider bad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,309 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Oh, sure. It's not a perfect analogy but I've found over the years that the left tends to be much more obsessed with ideological purity than the right whereas the latter is much more focused on winning and being ruthless in pursuit of that objective.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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