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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,769 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    As much as I hate to admit it. Carra hits the nail on the head here.

    Post edited by kerplun k on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,408 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    I haven’t been following football stuff a lot recently, so admittedly I haven’t read anything about the process. It would be very concerning if between Berrada and Wilcox, and Ratcliffe always having his nose in things - they haven’t spoken to other potential candidates. I highly doubt that they haven’t.

    It will all come out in the wash via The Athletic days/weeks after the decision is made public I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Can Carrick bring the team to Juventus Napoli PSG Real Madrid or Barca and win comfortably or to Hearts Celtic insert random far away team and dominate.

    Next season the two objectives should be top 3 league finish again and win the champions league with the latter being the primary.

    INEOS will have to spend big and sell off the clutter. Champions League and it being the new/current format for the first time will need high quality incoming players and a drive to finish in the top 5 at the very least in the league format. Buy the best available to beat the best and finally once again be the best team in European football by June 1st 2027;and set the team up to win the Premier League in May 2028.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭green daries


    Sweet Jesus that's just topped off the rest of the wild dreamers on here the last couple of days.🥴🥴



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,287 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Why are people worried about a new coach possibly not being available till mid July? Most of our squad will be in the same boat so having a new manager in earlier doesn't really help as he'll just be working with academy and non international players till then anyway.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,383 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yeah thats just delusional we are about 9 or 10 players away from a league/CL winning push.

    If Carrick stayed and got the same top 3 again next year it'd be ideal. Get 4 or 5 this summer and 4 or 5 next and then we might start thinking about winning something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    They've been absolutely clear they will not speak to anyone before the end of the season.

    So I assume we've had zero actual conversations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭jayo44


    All silly comments twisting stuff mitch. I'll leave you at it have fun pal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭jayo44


    If we finish second and third under Carrick and recruit the right players to push for league win I'd say that's job done. Comparisons to ole are lazy and silly just two former players that's all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,781 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    @kerplun k That youtube link gives away your full name....Might be an idea to edit it 😅



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Their input in finalising or prioritising player recruitment, helping to convince or assure players, is probably helpful way before preseason even just planning preseason and being ready to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,287 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    But they would have a manager, they just wouldn't start until mid July at the very latest. Surely there would be plans put in place in the background amd they would be working on certain things until they actually come in.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Depends who it is. At this point I don't think nagelsman would be willing to get involved in the back ground. And his coaching staff also in use, so the first week or two or three of preseason us a mess.

    But then you're hiring for 3+ years, so where's the priority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    There's no such thing as stability at United unless you're winning leagues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,752 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Realistically we're not winning league titles for another 2-3 years at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    The club's stated aims is 28, and even if you take 3 years, the hire you make now you have to believe is the guy to deliver that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    You always like to think that the people running things never had any doubt about Fergie. Or Arsenal never had any doubt Arteta would deliver a title.

    I also like to think there are a lot of managers capable of just given time and support.

    The most important relationship is between the board and the manager. If that relationship is solid and trust is there then it goes a long way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,752 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    So Ineos believe Carrick will deliver a title because he will get the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Ineos have to believe whoever they appoint will win a title, but not by himself - they have to also believe that the squad needs serious investment and improvement.

    I think in the modern game the manager is less important to the overall vision of the team, tactics, set-up etc, and I even think Ineos have shown that someone like Wilcox can and does have influence when required. If Carrick is hired as a "vibesman" with a decent team around him then maybe that's not a bad hire - the players certainly seem to have responded to his management style, with some of them going on record saying they want him to stay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭FrankN1


    People have been saying this for the past 13 years. At some point we need to be challenging or getting close. Can't keep saying it's 3 years away. Next year we should be challenging. That's what I expect.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,287 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Yeah, that's fair and gets to the heart of the matter. Are we worried about a few weeks in July versus the longer term goal of actually getting back competing. These are the trade offs that need to be determined.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,383 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Are you not familiar with our squad the last 13 years and it being riddled with holes all over the place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    To be fair winning the league now is nowhere near as daunting as it seemed when Ole was in charge. No one ever thought he was going to get near 100 points. Pep probably can’t believe he is still in a title race, the Klopp sides of the past would have demolished him by about 20+ points



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭GolfPar


    Cas must have been busy doing interviews last week :-) First part of an interview with Rio here. His English is very good. Pity we didn't hear more from him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    I don't think Carrick is the right man for the job based on the performances of the team. However, if it was up to me I would still have Amorim in charge as I felt and still feel he had us trending in the right direction so make of that what you will.

    With Carrick, the results have been beyond anyone's expectations and he deserves huge credit but when I watch games I see the trend going the other way and it doesn't feel sustainable.

    I blame the board though who have us in this position. Fair enough we have champs league this season but I wonder how we will feel this time next year if we stick with Carrick.

    It's a massive summer. We have to get the midfield right and we need fullbacks at a minimum. Wingers too really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Yes. Thats my judgement on it. They will view his managerial style, coaching, player management, tactical acumen - as league winning quality.

    I dont think it is, but I'm only able to judge him on what I have seen with a relatively unsuitable United side and his stint at 'boro - which has only been consumed in hightlight and reading post-mortems to try understand what type of manager he was and likely still is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,893 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Carricks record

    15 played

    10 wins

    3 draws

    2 defeats

    33 points with an average of 2.2 PPG.

    2.2 PPG over a 38 game season nets 83.6 points. Currently Arsenal who are likely to win the league can achieve a maximum total of 85 points, City a max of 83. Pep and Arteta have been backed to the hilt for the last 5 years and Carrick has bought nobody. In the 32 season PL era, 87.7 is the average number of points thats been required to win the league.

    BF looks reborn under him, he has reintegrated a potential future great in Mainoo and the likes of Dorgu looked a different player under him before he got injured.

    If we change managers and his record for his first 15 games of the season next year was on par with the above, every bloody one of us would be absolutely delighted.

    I too have doubts about him and his long term suitability but the reality is, there is very little more he could have done since he took over. Every managerial appointment comes with risk, there are no "gimmes" but the players look to be invested in him which is half the battle. There is also a genuine lack of viable alternatives for the job so I think he gets it in the summer.

    People like us can see the glaring holes in the squad so no doubt the powers that be see them too. We need at least 3 players that are ready to hit the ground running and that is just as important as the manager / coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,383 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Carrick or Klopp or Mourinho or Enrique or Lampard if we dont address midfield properly this summer they would all be equally fecked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    yeah I wonder what people who are underwhelmed with Carrick actually wanted from him, when you consider the state of the current squad.

    What more could he and his staff have done? What subs was he not making that he should have made, specifically - not just "he should have made subs earlier because reasons"

    What different tactics should he have employed in what games? United were struggling against low block teams, the midfield was being walked through because of the state of the personnel there imo, not tactics or the manager, there were times when he had to select wildly inexperienced defenders (yoro and heaven).

    He put Bruno where Bruno should be played and he's having the (half?) season of his life, he's getting a tune out of Sesko, he's making mostly the correct decisions in the big games, bloody hell he's beaten Arsenal, City and Liverpool - to me that bodes extremely well for playing big sides in the CL.

    I firmly believe that if the club goes some way to fixing the midfield then Carrick will have as good a chance as any serious candidate, ie not Enrique or some other unachievable target.

    OGS failed because he was failed by the club and recruitment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I would like a team that is better defensively than we are.
    The presses better than we are.
    That creates chances better than we are.

    This thread was FULL of people saying Amorim was doing rubbish - is it only even been about the results? Is that the reality here? That if we had been playing the exact same way under Amorim but we finished the chances vs Villa or Heaven didn't let Semenyo just run unconstested into the box (for eg) then Amorim would have been great and should have been getting a new contract this summer? Was our performance vs Arsenal on the opening day a managerial loss vs Carricks managerial win?

    Carrick has got great results, obviously and clearly.

    But I don't know why it rubs people up the wrong way so badly to point out we were only ok vs Spurs til they got a man sent off. We were crap against Palace til they got a man sent off. We were crap for 80minutes vs West ham. We were pretty poor vs Everton. We were absolutely rubbish vs Newcastle and Leeds. We were abject against Sunderland.

    Is that down to the player quality? In part it has to be, sure. But how much is down to simply how Carrick sees football? His Boro team, by all accounts, were also passive in defense and didn't press the opposition - so why not consider we are seeing the same at United because that is how Carrick wants his team set up, rather than a limitation of the squad (which were, irrc, the top pressing side in the league under Amorim).



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