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The disgusting racism in the Immigration thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Halal is as backdated as you can get but it will be facilitated by spineless governments so as to not offend those who want it . Even when the meat has become indistinguishable from conventionally slaughtered.
    And no I’m neither vegan or vegetarian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    And this has nothing to do with the complaint regarding racism in the particular thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Because the motivations about the intent of the OP are not as straightforward as some are claiming.

    Thread title

    The disgusting racism in the Immigration thread

    First line

    Honestly, lads. No point even pretending to hide it anymore.

    Remainder of OP. Third line specifically.

    People openly mocking the Dublin Rose, and demanding boycotts, because she is black and of Somali heritage, and it's just a shrug of the shoulders from the so-called moderating team.

    Why are we even pretending that thread is anything other than just a dirty, grubby hate-fest?

    And yes, I have reported posts.

    Im of the view that this thread is about the overall immigration thread and the RoT posts are the method for pointing out to the alleged racism that is apparently rampant in the thread.

    Why are we even pretending that thread is anything other than just a dirty, grubby hate-fest?

    This tactic has been seen on Boards over the years, someone has an issue with an overall thread / forum and points to one single incident / post to underpin their accusations in an attempt to get the thread / forum torpedoed.

    Essentially, certain cohorts dont like their own personal position being shot to pieces by demonstrable and overwhelming evidence so they will try and shut down the discussion altogether. A tried and tested method deployed by the "be kind" brigade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Amazing how you completely ignore the complaint against racism against the Rose of Tralee. That is nothing to do with personal positions. And don't give me that "Be kind" nonsense if you choose to ignore racism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    There is no such thing as a "native" Irish people. Irish DNA has been analyzed and studied, and the Irish, although predominantly Celtic and Gaelic, are also a mixture of Viking, Norman, British, Bell Beaker, and other European strains.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Nermal


    The difference between red and orange is subjective. Am I required to place inverted commas around those words each time I use them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    The left are a tiny minority in Ireland

    NEWSFLASH

    The most popular political party in the country is left wing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Red and orange are defined terms. If you say something is red people now what you are talking about. Native Irish has different meanings depending on the person you are speaking to. But I think you are just trying to swing the theas off topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Yes, Europe is the only place where racism exists.

    Backdated ideas like cousin marriage, child marriage, arranged marriage, female genital mutilation, women having to cover up , getting offended and threatening to kill people or killing people over cartoons etc etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    If there is no such thing as native Irish people then there is no such thing as Native people anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    So what is your definition of native? Born here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    Except for the part of Africa where humanity originally evolved, but otherwise it seems the penny is dropping.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    I didnt ignore anything, you thanked my post?

    If there are racist comments ie use of slurs, derogatory or abusive language etc then the guilty party should be sanctioned appropriately and in line with forum rules.

    I re-read the thread from the point when the RoT was mentioned and there is currently nothing there that could be considered slurs, abusive or derogatory language, certainly that i can see anyway but happy to re-evaluate my position if you can point to racism directed at the RoT entrant in question.

    Like i said previously, people asking questions about eligibility does not definitively indicate any racist motivations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think we will have to disagree on that and what you think this perceived "be kind brigade" is doing bringing up racism. As soon as I hear someone inject culture war catchphrases into an argument I do get annoyed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,057 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    If there is indeed disgusting racism in the thread, then surely you want that disgusting racism dealt with as much as anybody else? Or do you have no problem with disgusting racism being posted and think people to don't like that should just not read it?

    That's what this thread is about, and that's all it should be about - whether the thread did in fact contain disgusting racism, and if so, what is being done (or not) about it.

    No idea why it has been allowed to turn into a thread about immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Well the thread being discussed is about immigration.

    If the mods find racism on it then it should be removed if they feel it necessary.

    Often what is and what is not racism is up for debate though, that is the issue.

    There was nobody being called any racial slurs on the thread so it's not really obvious what should be removed from it I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    A post related to the Rose of Tralee was removed. she was referred to as NGO fake Irish even though she was born in Ireland. The twitter post that was linked had some atrocious slurs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Repeatedly referring to another poster’ s comments as nonsense doesn’t make it true either .
    You’ve done it twice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I don't understand the point of this thread. If you see an overtly racist post or a dogwhistle racist post then just report it. The mods will see it at some point and judge whether to remove it or not. If you think it may have been missed than politely message a mod and query it.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06



    I think it would be good to get clarity from the CA team as to what they understand by the boards terms of use posted earlier in relation to the thread and 'racially or ethnically objectionable' content. Otherwise, yes, it seems pointless if it's just regular posters.

    For me, asking in an immigration thread questions about the eligibility of one particular contestant in the Rose of Travel is racist dog whistling, an attempt to narrowly define Irishness based on skin colour \ ethnicity. Or are we expected to believe they've suddenly found some serious interest in the small print of the Rose of Tralee rules? And just wandered into an immigration thread by mistake? So that would seem to be actionable based on boards terms of use posted earlier.

    There has been mod action on the thread seemingly subsequent to this thread being created, and from a quick glance like the more overt slurs were actioned but not some of the 'dog whistling'.
    Unclear if that mod action was in response to this Help Desk thread, or just they hadn't got to the reports.
    The Rose of Tralee discussion has been 'put to bed', and ruled off topic.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Girls that have a different skin colour or speak with a foreign accent from wherever do not appear to be the issue funnily enough .

    It's the very cheek of an immigrant's daughter who is born in Ireland and raised here, to apply to be the Dublin Rose 🤯 If she were the Somali Rose someone on the thread said it would be fine !

    And everyone who voted for this girl is similarly tarred .

    Never mind that The Rose of Tralee is lauded as an inclusive competition that goes beyond how a girl looks and includes personality and character also .

    Am not a fan of any of these competitions (the Lovely Girls competition being an exception) but as far as they go the Rose is not the worst at all at all at all ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    And their posts deleted would you not agree ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ah but they can fix it . The rules are the same it's just the emphasis is on hanging on to as many posters as possible in a mistaken attempt to' save the site ' .

    However it was funny to see that some of the worst offenders (not all ) were among those in numbers to go to another site to badmouth Boards and mods and everyone else here .

    Now returning as reregs or fully formed 'new' posters when that other site died a death or they were banned elsewhere.

    All that corralling of these posters in one dive to the depths thread is doing is giving the site a bad name , click value for extremists , and putting off genuine boardsies long-term .

    I would not agree with **** down the discussion . There are good posters there with very reasonable suggestions . It's the extremists that need to be rooted out , on both sides , but as it is mainly a one sided debate there ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    @Nermal discussion was banned ..

    see OP in original thread ..

    for good reason . Not surprised you bring it up here

    This discussion is about racists who conflate being Irish with ascendancy going back generations here . Oh and being white .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    I dont think mods have the functionality to delete posts, rather they can only edit them (open to correction on that one). Regardless, I dont think any posts should be deleted unless whats being posted is illegal. Imo a mod edit stating what was posted was a breach of the site and / or has been sanctioned is better as it clearly shows what is and is not permissable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You and others tried that exact same tack in the Trump thread is a joke thread so it's a bit tone deaf commenting there above as you did .

    Are you trying to say that thread was different ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    Keeping the content would also have it show in search results, which I guess might be desirable for some people... 🙄

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    If it's clearly a disgusting comment a note yes but still remove it .

    They can delete afaik in those circumstances .🤔

    It's in a recent DPR thread . BBoC said it was rule 4 ...do you want me to post the link ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Unnecessary.

    So if it is possible to delete disgusting comments, and there are currently no disgusting comments on the immigration thread, that would indicate that mods have taken the appropriate action on the disgusting racism in the immigration thread relating to the RoT entrant which would render this thread moot?



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