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FáilteDAB: Coverage, Tests and Services

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    I wonder is there a problem with Nowen Hill ? North Cork and Cork City have been on for about 5/6 weeks at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,383 ✭✭✭secman


    I'm 15kms south of Gorey and picking up 13 stations , will do a rescan later to see if anymore available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    wrong thread

    Post edited by Manc-Red_ on

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,383 ✭✭✭secman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭toggle toes


    How many stations over all can go on Mux 2. I'm surprised some commercial radio stations didn't jum on board. I was hoping to hear some sort of sports radio on it too but I guess not this time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,149 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Sports radio is the single most expensive format to do. Ireland is too small a market for someone to even try it without massive pockets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭Genghis


    Go Loud may be trialling a new way to halve the cost of sports broadcasting. As I tune in this morning I find they are currently playing two separate OTB shows simultaneously on their DAB channel!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,383 ✭✭✭secman


    Did a rescan ,21 stations now. 15kms south of Gorey Wexford. Newstalk on there now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 623 ✭✭✭mondeoman2


    Unfortunately no signal in or around Gorey town itself.I Commute up/down to Dublin and love listening to the Dab+ service

    Really miss Onic Rock and Gold 😩



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭rogue-entity


    "The future is 5G/6G broadcast" - respectfully, no.

    11k/yr + 23% VAT on top would put the price at 1,128/mo which is quite reasonable for the shear number of sites and large area covered. It would price out community and small-interest stations but I'd also expect that cost to scale down significantly for a small-scale operation.

    You could argue the last time Ireland had truly independent radio was before the 31st of December 1988; after that the country was carved up into little fiefdoms and monopoly privilege was granted to the blessed few. Now if Government (via the IRTC/BCI/BAI) were doing their jobs well, would not have allowed any one company to own more than one station in any particular market nor more than a small number in total - this is how a reasonable person would interpret maintaining plurality of ownership and diversity in what is offered.

    What I and others (including those behind FailteDAB) believe in is: Let us build the platform, let the market decide if the stations survive on their own merits (content, presentation etc). End the 1988 monopoly on choice that has strangled the FM market for almost 40 years.

    BIII VHF has been fallow since RTE ceased PAL broadcasting, if there is no commercial demand for that spectrum, then from a purely economic perspective it's better to let someone use it for small money than doing nothing with it at all.

    That said, I agree with you on the point regarding promotion, if folk don't know it exists they have no incentive to buy a compatible radio. While a lot of newer cars will automatically scan and display available DAB stations, listeners don't often scan around the band unless they're out of range of their preferred station so might not notice. Cars that put DAB on a separate 'band button' don't do much for discovery of new content, especially if it's never worked before

    I fear this is precisely what will happen; that has been the traditional way spectrum itself has been auctioned off. FM licences for 'community of interest' stations has been something of a tossing of a bone to the hungry wolves; the 2009 Broadcasting Act is not fit for purpose

    If the UK market is anything to go by, the large national/regional multiplexes will end up owned by one company anyway, if not 2RN then Foothold much like how it seems all the UK sites are owned/operated by Arquiva. For a variety of reasons, this is not a desirable outcome but the way Comreg usually runs things, that's precisely what will happen.

    Indeed, they faced every possible obstacle and barrier to getting a full-time service operational, one would be forgiven for thinking that unless the major broadcasters want something, it won't happen ;)

    I stumbled across that some time ago, I grew up with 252 and didn't imagine someone could or would just resurrect an old brand like that. Could they actually broadcast here on their Ofcom licence?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭ryangontv
    Rhían


    I completely agree. Local radio is an illusion now , look at Tipp / Clare / Kerry/ Shanside / N. Sound they are all owned by Radio Kerry and a lot of the jingles are the same , same voices etc… It's all an "illusion" at this rate, and don't forget Bauer ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭rogue-entity


    A little closer to home, the same woman on both Classic Hits and Nova that reads out the traffic and travel :)
    The UK market saw this when Capital Radio started buying up all the local stations en masse.

    DAB in Ireland has been discussed to death in other threads so I won't rehash that here but I will note that one thing TOTAL-DAB proved is that it doesn't cost 100s of 1000s of euro to setup a DAB multiplex, nevermind to operate one. In fact, and depending on the power you need, the single most expensive component is the cavity filter

    It is my view that for Irish radio to survive, it will need to 'move with the times' and start offering folk a choice before the folk who listen to radio in their car stick with….ugh…Spotify; the folk who listen at home, stick with their Amazon/Apple/Google smart speaker.

    Radio is more than just the music, or the talk programmes - music you can get elsewhere, talk programmes are podcasted - it is the live element and the relationship between the presenter and the listeners. I tune into John Creedon because his 'musical pic-and-mix' cant be replicated by a chatbot or a copy of StationPlaylist/Myriad/Liquidsoap.

    DAB will be part of that, I believe, but another thing that needs to happen is to scrap the ornery requirements imposed by the 2009 Act, in particular, the 20% news and current affairs nonsense - we can and do have entire stations that cover that better than a music station should.

    What sets FailteDAB apart from previous attempts to kick-start DAB is the massive buyin from Bauer, Bay and Onic; if they had shunned the idea, we would not be in a second year of a trial service now operating across most of the country. I fervently hope that they'll be able to convert this into a permanent operation, I doubt anyone else in the country would have had the connections and access to sites to pull this off other than 2RN and we know they have no interest.

    I'm pleasantly enjoying getting to listen to Radio Nova, GHR and others in my car with a reliability and convenience that no amount of faffing about with Apps can match. I don't tune in just for music - I don't have nearly as deep a knowledge and quickly run out of songs I could listen to anyway - I listen to the shows and suffer the adverts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭ryangontv
    Rhían


    Completely agree. Just listening to the band in Tipp at the moment. Spirit (IRN Newstalk) and Classic Hits have almost the same newscript word-for-word…. the illusion of choice ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    On the muxplex scanner (dabscan.antenna.ie) there is now a second TX of unknown location, SFN'd with Mount Oriel on MUX1 Block 5B



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,970 ✭✭✭decies


    dab is perfectly suited to driving to be honest if at home more likely to just pick on one or two stations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    DAB / FM are a lot safer to use whilst driving from a channel changing point of view. Apple Car play is dangerous to navigate through whilst driving. In fact I am so used to listening to DAB now that I use Newstalk for most of my news/ chat stuff as my car has FM and DAB on separate buttons so easier not to bother changing😉are you listening RTÉ ?, I don’t even miss you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    perfect signal in Sligo town at the Connaughton road car park. I realise it’s on a height though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Antenna


    Does that car radio automatically switch to Newstalk on FM, when you go out of coverage of it on DAB ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭ryangontv
    Rhían


    does for me anyway, its much better especially during jingles and Tom Dunne's show as they are in STEREO!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,149 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Did that merger actually go through in the end? I stopped paying attention after they said it had collapsed in 2019, but they were already doing things like having identical websites etc.

    Sale of Clare FM and Tipp FM stake to Radio Kerry collapses – The Irish Times



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,768 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Radio Kerry bought Shannonside / Northern Sound in 2005. What content (same voices) do they share?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Played with my car's radio the other day and was pleasantly surprised at how many stations were being picked up in Cork. As somebody else has said earlier, a wider range (e.g. talk) would be good, but still good to see so many additional stations.

    Will be hard (I guess) for some of the stations to get some sort of visibility based on just their station names (e.g. I can see some stations are like Onic 80s or Onic 90s, so that's obvious - but then there are stations like Bob FM, GHR - what are these supposed to be?).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Oh and apart from this thread, I would not have known this was happening at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭ryangontv
    Rhían


    Maybe not, I'm not sure, I didn't keep up either. . The music library is definitely the same between Clare/Tipp. One night I heard the same program on Clare and Tipp with same presenter just delayed by a few seconds. They seem to use same transmission gear too (e.g Deva Broadcast RDS encoders)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭ryangontv
    Rhían


    OK. I asked Neil regarding aerial specs on Kiltimagh cos it was poor here. It is pointing East. Makes sense why @waywill1966 and @editorsean pick it up well compared to here in CBR town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    When Energy Dance launched it had a good few of the Artists and Titles the wrong way round and there's still these 3 that need to be updated

    Liquid - 'Sweet Harmony'

    Layo & Bushwacka! - 'Love Story'

    Oceanic - 'Insanity'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Have to say GHR is a fab station, way better than Classic Hits I think. Just wish Failte would sort out the logo issue, I still just have Nova with its correct logo and Newstalk still showing RTE Choice as it's logo !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,149 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    That's your receiver having an old DB, not the logos being sent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Antenna


    they may affect the performance of Mid-West Radio etc FM dipoles if DAB was on the west side of the mast also (physically too near them). Extending the height of the mast to have DAB fully above existing FM aerials probably couldn't happen! , so I presume seen as the best compromise



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    It's a 2022 car with a DAB tuner in it, so why is it able to get the logo for two of the stations and not the others ? Anyway, I'm sure I saw on here that other posters weren't getting logos either.



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