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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That's just ridiculous, voting for the Greens is an indirect vote for Reform, who are know to be pro-Israel. I would expect the lefties to be smarter than that

    But then again this is the country that gave us brexit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    So CATHERINE WEST has called for a leadership challenge and is off gathering the numbers - 81 I think? to get this to proceed. One thought is that she may not trigger a leadership challenge BUT use this to show the absolute discomfort in the labour party with starmer and then he may walk

    So anyway, I reckon UK needs this like a kick in the …..

    AND therefore they WILL do it. Beth Rigby asked at starmers address earlier "Is the UK ungovernable". I think the answer to that is a YES, in my opinion anyway??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,429 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's not ungovernable. Not remotely. France, maybe but the UK, no.

    I think West is a stalking horse for anyone who might be able to seriously damage Starmer.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    One thought on the LBC is that she may not trigger a leadership challenge BUT use this to show the absolute discomfort in the labour party with starmer and then he may walk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    West has backed down



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The UK is becoming ungovernable because there is a complete and utter refusal to deal in reality. You have multiple parties pushing forth this "one, neat trick" that will solve everything when the reality is that the British economy is increasingly sclerotic and everyone seems to want to put further barriers in place.

    Ironically, the only person of late to correctly identify the problem was Truss - unfortunately her solution was batshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,429 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I would say that that makes the UK ungovernable though. Most countries are confronting the same problems, albeit without the self-imposed embargo that was Brexit. The UK isn't the only country where cowardly politicians endlessly kick the can down your road.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Starmer mentioned the closer relations with EU and europe alot in his address this morning. Also mentioned up and coming EU Summit that he/UK will be at. Sort of making it important?

    He said "At the next EU summit I will take a new direction for Britain. Britain at the heart of Europe”.

    So i wonder is he staying sthum today about possible joining the Customs Union / Single market BUT that he WILL announce this at the next EU Summit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Her letter to all:

    catherine West letter.jpg

    Yip she has since pulled back rather than backed down i think - "Catherine West opting for a resignation timetable rather than a direct challenge"

    SKY NEWS just now - BREAKING: "I think it's time for us to look for a new leadership"

    Labour MP Chris Curtis, head of the Labour Growth Group of MPs, has joined calls for the PM to go and will be signing the Catherine West Letter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Im not sure the UK is ungovernable but it does seem to have the worst sequence of wretched PMs in living memory. Since brexit every pm has been terrible ( and Camerons legacy also is shot).



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Perhaps but the UK being all but alien to coalition politics is going to severely hamper them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,429 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The problem is that the British two-party system has largely served them well until quite recently. Obviously, there's the question of legitimacy given that it's been several decades since anyone won a majority of the popular vote but it's generally governed well enough. The issue now is the complete collapse of the two-party political culture here and the issues that that's causing.

    I can't see anything changing though it will be interesting to see what becomes of the Conservatives and Labour in 2029.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    On LBC news that there are now 40 mps and counting in labour calling for Starmer to go

    Still stand by what i said here over weekend .. He could be gone by the end of this week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Starmer's pitch to save his job

    'My ole man is toolmaker and my sister is a carer therefore I know the problems everyone faces'

    The man has no morals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,093 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Thats a stupid statement.

    He is, by all evidence, a serious and moral person.

    Unfortunately for him he is an uninspiring leader and a poor politician. The accidental PM, if you like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭midlander12


    End of the night, I'd say, though I predicted before and it didn't happen. Streeting's and Mahmood's PPS's have resigned and called for his resignation, so those two have clearly put their tanks on the lawn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Water John




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The morals of a zionist who justified war crimes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    birmingham is in a complete mess. Piece on C4 News at 7 about it .. crazy



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Not being in the UK means not subsidising the £100Bn submarines. See USS Proteus and or Treaty Ports if there's any questions on bases.

    Not being in the UK means not subsidising the £100Bn HS2

    Not being in the UK means not subsidising nuclear power plants, Hinkley-C and Sizewell-C will each add a tenner to monthly electricity bills for the foreseeable future.

    The biggie is what % of the UK national debt would be foisted on a leaver.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,837 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Seemed an interesting enough guy and one with a strong view on things when he emerged as shadow Brexit secretary.

    Would have never expected such a dull easily turned person back then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,084 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Labour have an intractable problem. They have stood for little other than being an alternative to the Conservatives ever since Thatcher broke the power of the unions. They rode the wave of Conservative unpopularity, a growing economy and Blair's charisma for a decade but it's been meek ever since.

    Anyone truly left of centre in the party who gains any kind of notoriety is relentlessly attacked by the British media who seem to be terrified of such a person gaining power and being effective.

    So they can throw Starmer out, but it's nothing more than sacrificing a lamb to distract from the inevitable slide towards a Reform government.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭midlander12


    A few of Farage's new prodigies (it probably helped them get elected):-

    Reform councillor called for Nigerians to be ‘melted’

    Newly-elected Sunderland politician suggested they be used as ballast in the city’s potholes

    Newly elected Reform councillor resigns after social media claims | Reform UK | The Guardian

    Reform UK councillor has resigned days after being elected, after he allegedly celebrated on social media the rape of a Sikh woman in the Midlands, declared white people the “master race” and called Muslim people “rats”.Stuart Prior was elected as a councillor for Essex county council last Thursday, winning 2,404 votes, the highest total of any candidate in the ward. Prior has been criticised for the remarks he has allegedly made on social media. In posts on X in November 2025, he allegedly described white people as “the master race” and suggested that white people had “larger brains”.In other posts, Prior allegedly said “Muslims are dirt”, allegedly wrote that “Muslims are awful, globally” and allegedly declared: “There cannot be a genocide against Muslims. It’s only ever self-defence against those rats.”

    Prior responded to the Mirror: “That’s not what I would have put down” and “this isn’t me” when confronted with the messages.

    Prior is also alleged to have said black people should be “segregated”, and asked why “black folk bitch about” the slave trade. On 27 October 2025, he allegedly wrote, “good.reap it” in response to a post by the MP Zarah Sultana about a Sikh woman being raped.

    Hope not Hate also highlighted the case of Derek Bullock, who was elected as a Reform councillor in Bolton last week. Bullock was a Tory candidate for the council in 2023 when images emerged of a post sent at the time of the 2017 Manchester Arena terrorist attack in which he allegedly used a racial slur to call for people of Pakistani heritage to be shot. The Conservatives disowned his candidacy and Bullock won as an independent before standing for Reform in 2026. Bullock has previously said the image was fake, and a Reform spokesperson said he had reported the resurfaced material to the police.

    Hope not Hate allege Bullock also spoke of wanting to encourage Muslims to join Islamic State to “help re-balance England’s population & make-up”.

    Jay Leslie Cooper was elected for Reform in the Bootle West ward of Sefton council. The Liverpool Echo reported that she had allegedly written on Facebook last year: “I don’t agree with him [Adolf Hitler] murdering innocent people. But the Hallocaust [sic] is a hoax. There wasn’t [sic] even 6 million Jews in Europe at the time. Propaganda.”

    Nathaniel Menday was elected as a Reform councillor in Sheffield. According to Hope not Hate, he has allegedly described himself as an ethno-nationalist, encouraged the use of white supremacist symbols and blamed Jews for antisemitism because they “overwhelmingly favour open borders”. He allegedly shared a picture of Berlin’s Nazi-era Olympiastadion in January 2024 and wrote: “Whichever group of people built this must have been real visionaries!” The stadium was built to host the 1936 Olympics and was co-designed by Albert Speer, the munitions minister convicted at the Nuremberg trials of crimes against humanity.

    Ben Rowe was elected for Reform on to Plymouth city council. According to Hope not Hate, he allegedly urged protesters throwing bricks at police defending a mosque to “get rid of that filthy building” during the 2024 Southport riots. In a comment beneath a YouTube video in February, Rowe also allegedly accused “the Jews” of “creating division by forcing other races on our societies” and described immigrants to the UK “breeding like rats”, according to The Times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Does anybody know, in councils where Reform have plenty of Cllrs over the last few years (not just since this week), has there been any change to spending / budgets / efficiency / operations/ activities, etc.?

    i.e. have they made reforms?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,153 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Most of them have increased council tax by then highest allowed %



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,429 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's also been some culture war nonsense about flags.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,153 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Also, their propensity to have unvetted candidates who rapidly resign is costing councils tens of thousands a go in by-elections



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,837 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Feel sorry for Starmer in a way, he's an eminently sensible, bland, vanilla guy, with a strong career in public service behind, exactly who you'd want to be a politician/pm. After the Bojo/Truss/May/Sunak years he's exactly what they need. However the trumpism and dumbing down of politics in recent years has killed him. Its now not enough to govern intelligently and for the people, you need 3 word slogans like 'stop the boats' and "charisma" - i use that term very loosely for farage/trump.



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