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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But you agree that she was not sensible in a corporate environment. Or just plain cowardly.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    She was from a private background which I think was the first mistake the board made in appointing her, I think they'd have done better to appoint someone like Bakhurst in 2016. They seemed to want an Irish female DG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Why would a private background make any difference to the running of the company. Are you suggesting that David McRedmond would also not be suitable?

    And just to be clear are you saying her mistakes are on the board? and her mistakes are due to her background?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    It's the private sector, an advertising agency and Discovery (Warner Bros.) TV brand against experience in public service broadcasting as with Bakhurst (BBC). She was too pally with sponsors and commercial enterprise IMO. Wasn't she headhunted at some 'women in business' love-in?

    The RTE Board picked her so they're responsible.

    I don't know David McRedmond.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    He was one of the supposed front runners to the job, I am surprised you don't know him, he's the CEO of An Post.

    So Moya Doherty is responsible in the end.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I've heard of him, don't think he was ever interviewed for the job.

    They wanted a woman and that woman was Dee Forbes. They were prepared to overlook the obvious candidates because they weren't.

    The board picked her so to that extent yes they were responsible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So Moya Doherty as chair was responsible, and you agree that all of the board should have been fired.

    He was interviewed, on both occasions, according to the book. (Though the second time wasn't much of an interview from what I can gather), but that still doesn't answer why he'd be even considered based on your theory due to his commercial background.

    Over the course of this thread most of us even before the scandal were unwilling to state "she only got the job because she was a woman", you would not want to say that now would you!

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    You're putting words into my mouth, claiming I posted things I didn't, you're the one who keeps going on about Moya not me.

    I'm saying they headhunted a woman and appointed her when there was at least one man more suitable to be DG in a public service broadcaster. This says to me they wanted a woman.

    I couldn't care less what 'us' have been posting here.

    Edit: Previously I posted that David McRedmond wasn't even interviewed for the DG job, I was referring to 2016 not 2023.

    McRedmond also applied for the RTÉ top job back in 2016, when Dee Forbes was appointed. On that occasion, he wasn’t even interviewed

    John Burns: An Post’s David McRedmond fails to conquer RTÉ – The Irish Times

    Post edited by Cyclingtourist on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I am asking a question of your views.

    She was from a private background which I think was the first mistake the board made in appointing her, I think they'd have done better to appoint someone like Bakhurst in 2016. They seemed to want an Irish female DG.

    The RTE Board picked her so they're responsible.

    Moya was the chair of the board. I didn't bring up the board you did.

    I am not putting words in your mouth, I am asking you based on your view should the Board have resigned?

    Correct he applied in 2016 and was not given an interview, 3 RTÉ directors approached him in 2023 to apply, why they thought they'd be making a better decision in 2023 as in 2016 one wonders.

    As you point out

    Wasn't she headhunted at some 'women in business' love-in?

    This really would have been the same outcome with McRedmond. (who was the Captain of the good ship TV3, people seem to think he was great there!).

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The board picked her, it was a collective decision.

    I was clearly referring to the appointment of DF when I posted that DMcR didn’t get interviewed.

    "So Moya Doherty as chair was responsible, and you agree that all of the board should have been fired."

    This isn't a question, there's a clue in the fullstop. It's a statement by you regarding my post.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I was correcting myself on McR. But my point remains if McR was headhunted by 3 board member this is pretty much the same as D4bes appointment in 2016. A commercial person being put forward by a board that appointed D4bes. Makes me think about their choice of successor. If they are to be blame for the D4bes era. (in fairness Moya had nothing to do with KB4's appointment).

    You have to give it to D4bres, her only mistake was getting the job!

    So do you think the board should have resigned? or do you think them slowing winding down was the most appropriate option?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    So do you think the board should have resigned? or do you think them slowing winding down was the most appropriate option?

    I have no opinion on the matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Tubridy and Kelly were under no obligation to appear before the Oireachtas Committee re. The Ryan Tubridy Pay Scandal - they chose to do so - something I would have strongly advised sagainst btw had my counsel been sought on the matter. They chose to take the advice of a different advisor however, much to their ultimate cost.

    They chose to go primarily in an attempt to frame a narrative that The Toyman was a simple man who didn’t understand things like money and mathematics, and that he was the real victim in the scandal that bears his name. This was after of course he and his agent issued “nothing to do with me” statements after the scandal broke which only added to the public outrage, and which they swiftly backtracked on and changed their tune to a more admission of collective blame and their smart in it when they saw how those statements landed.

    They presented a “we were just following orders” defence laying the blame entirely at the door of RTÉ, acting as if they had no hand, act of part in it, when the reality is they were willing partners to and participants in it - Kelly’s secondary company’s invoicing is testament to this. Who exactly conceived the creative accounting plan we’ll likely never know but logic would dictate it was likely one of or a combination of Kelly, Forbes, and possibly Geraldine O’Leary. Whoever conjured the idea is largely immaterial however as it couldn’t have happened without both sides knowing what was going on and for that there would have to have been discussions as to the mechanics of the scheme - and ultimately, agreement.

    Kelly claimed at the hearing he had “never even met Dee Forbes for a cup of tea” nor did he have her number. Considering I would estimate that 90% of his billings came from RTÉ it would frankly be bizarre and stretch all credibility that he did not know Forbes professionally.

    But back to the hearing: The Toyman presented 7 “untruths” as he described them, theatrically banging on the table in his delivery of same. Fionnan Sheehan (the journalist who broke the story) subsequently dismantled almost all of these in his column and on numerous podcasts but let’s not let facts ruin a good tale shall we?

    The Toyman and the Godfather then attempted to curry favour with some delicious quotes that will live for a long time in discussions of the scandal; Kelly describing The Toyman as “the most trusted man in Ireland” , The Toyman’s “yes, my salary is enormous but it doesn’t affect my soul”, and The Toyman’s “I love your county” (in reference to Louth of all places) were amongst the highlights.

    They also used the old tactic of submitting a very large dossier of documents shortly before the hearings were due to commence. This would politely be described as “sneaky” by some but I won’t comment on it.

    The Toyman’s performance at the hearing did him no favours, but he didn’t have to be there. Like this whole sorry affair, it’s his own fault for partaking in it.


    I read his London Diary earlier. Why it’s still called the London Diary is a mystery as it’s rarely about London, but anyway. Intriguingly as the country’s leading book reader and book podcaster, it’s rather strange he didn’t mention the most-talked about book release of the week….Shane Ross’s book about RTÉ. Pat Kenny had Ross on his show this morning I see (I didn’t catch it but might listen later in the week).

    He did tell us about the Michael Jackson movie though. The Toyman complained he was conflicted on whether or not to watch it, so he held an Instagram poll on same. I’m not on Instagram but it does seem the man overuses it (anything to keep your name out there I suppose…..).

    Anyway on Jacko, he said he’d never play him again when he was on RTE, but had no problem playing him on Q102/Virgin, now seems to be having a crisis of confidence on the subject again. As usual with The Toyman it seems he’s waiting to see what way the wind is blowing before deciding which opinion is “correct”. He seems genuinely incapable of thinking for himself.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I'm not hugely interested in the inner workings of RTE or its board(s). Unlike you I won't be buying the Shane Ross book. I have a passing interest in the RTE payments scandal, that's about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Your posting history suggests your interest in both subjects is more than “passing”.

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Imagine posting on an opinion board on a thread about the working of RTÉ and not having an opinion what waste of time.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Sorry if I'm wasting your time by not having a ready opinion on everything RTE.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Anyway on further consideration in my opinion it is highly unlikely that by April of 2023 Ryan Tubridy didn't know what was about to happen, or that he wasn't fully aware of his contracts, indeed when asked to take a pay could he offer the excuse that due to legal reasons he would not be able to cut his wage. This and other things leads me to my opinion that overall that Tubs knew fine well what was happening, leading to his resignation from the Late Late show. But that is just an opinion.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    I personally believe that had the dodgy payments scheme not been “rumbled” so to speak, that The Toyman would still be presenting TLLS in addition to his radio show. It is my firm opinion the resignation was submitted in an attempt to bury the story internally.

    For clarity, The Toyman’s announcement that he was leaving TLLS came over St. Patrick’s Weekend in March (not April), 9 days after the payments were discovered in an internal audit.

    Those payments (totalling €345,000 btw, not the oft referred to figure of €150,000) were not made public until June, some 3 months later, by which time one central party to them had resigned from her position after being suspended - facts that were not made public until later as the story developed.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The LLS presenter for next season hasn't been agreed yet and RTE could do a lot worse than offer it to Ryan Tubridy. That's just my opinion of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    They could give it to anyone really. A show built up by Gay Byrne. Plenty of talented people out there able to present could continued to drive the audience down much like that of Tubs who lost nearly 100K within 3 years of taking over the show.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Gay Byrne isn't available and even if he rose from the dead would probably grow the viewing figures for his resurrection appearance and then speedily drift down towards the norm.

    The LLS has been cut by 25% and still struggles to maintain its previous figures apart from the occasional 'special'.

    The format is in decline. People aren't as interested in book authors, celebs nobody's heard of and retired sports men/women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    They should bring back Pat Kenny really he held his audience for all of the seasons he was on, the 150K if not more that Tubs lost by the end of his term should have been dealt with about a decade ago.

    The new PK has largely maintained what was left of the audience.

    Cannot see RT coming back ever TBH, it would be like bring back Moya Doherty and D4bes, you'd be more successful trying to raise Gay Byrne from the dead than figuring out what illness struck D4bes.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    And yet you’d want to bring back The Toyman for it? Peculiar and intriguing.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,634 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Between using an AI representation of Gay Byrne and bringing back Tubridy… it's a tough call which would be quicker way to send TLLS to cancellation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Just spotted this

    An estimated €855,000 is to be spent over the next five years on consultants to assist RTÉ with the distribution of the millions of euro generated by the annual Late Late Toy Show appeal.

    In the works to be contracted, RTÉ is seeking firms to provide "a flexible, agile and cost effective approach to grant assessment and grant distribution".

    The tender confirms that "the cost of grant distribution will be deducted from the Fund".

    RTÉ to spend €855,000 to distribute Toy Show donations

    So they're taking €170k per year from the money donated by the public to advise them on who/what/where to give it to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    It would be cheaper and fill airtime to produce Spin the Wheel show to decide on the allocation.



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