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The Weekend On One With Brendan O'Connor

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭GSF


    I doubt she’d match Niall in the anger Olympics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭plodder


    Just listened to it there now. I've never listened to Boylan's radio show, but if he weren't on that panel they would have tip-toed around the immigration issue again with all the usual platitudes (which got an airing anyway) about being careful with language and they'd never have addressed the substantive question at all.

    The irony was that because of Boylan clearly stating it's not sustainable that Ukrainians would get supports that are not available to Irish people, nobody could agree with such an obvious absurdity (stated plainly).

    My assessment of that panel would be that anyone who already was negatively disposed towards Niall Boylan, would have been impressed by Alison O'Connor's "sour milk" opinion, but everyone else including those who don't know who he is, would have been more impressed by Boylan.

    Another comment that struck me was Alison saying the government has moved to the right. They may have in the last couple of years, but only after the general lurch to the left that had previously occurred particularly since the demise of the Progressive Democrats.

    Post edited by plodder on

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,746 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Her definition of moving to the right centres on the government tightening asylum laws, which started under the previous government with a Green Minsiter in charge of many of the changes including cuts to payments to Ukrainians.

    I realise Alison has to make a living like everyone else, but she does talk some sh*te.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,336 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I think if they did a poll on whether it's time to tighten up on the money being handed to Ukrainians there would be an overwhelming vote in favour of YES.

    It doesn't make everyone a racist as some try to present it as.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    Quiet round here these days



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,310 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,768 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Brendan made his first mistake today just after 2 minutes. He misread a headline in the Sunday Business Post, Australian instead of Austrian. Yesterday early on he mispronounced Cymru.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,522 ✭✭✭✭dvcireland




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    Just listening back now. Talking about the Dublin by-election, someone said in passing that Ray McAdam is a personable guy. O’Connor interjected to say “they’re all personable guys…and women”.

    These interruptions are madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,310 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    To be on this occasion rte can't be seen to be influencing elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭GSF




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,887 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    When canvassing very hail fellow well met/man of the people.

    Maybe not so much at the count centre when asked questions 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭tradfan1


    Remember when Paul Williams was trying to question him about various issues at the last election and Hutch's response to him was 'you're like a dying wasp' - funny in a way but not sure I'd like a TD giving a so called answer like that to legitimate questions!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,424 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I doubt if those who vote for Hutch would be terribly worried about a response like that.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,336 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    Yesterday they came back from an ad break and O’Connor said, “By the way there was a stray mention of a by-election candidate earlier so I will just tell you that all the candidates, in both by-elections—you can see a list of them on the RTE website.”

    I used to find it irritating. I now find it enraging. There’s something smug and nannying about persisting with such needless pedantry to the detriment of the programme. It’s an I-know-best attitude. And what foolish arrogance to think that the programme is so important that the merest mention of a candidate could swing the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,887 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You're getting enraged with the wrong target.

    It's not the programme, it's RTE policy.

    RTE have adopted this policy to ensure compliance with the Fairness, Objectivity, and Impartiality guidelines put in place by the media regulator, Coimisiún na Meán.

    When a radio programme mentions a single political candidate during an election period, presenters refer listeners to a complete list of candidates to ensure editorial balance and avoid showing undue favour to one person.

    You're right, it's not as if it might swing the election but it helps to avoid accusations of bias.

    Coimisiun_na_Mean_Broadcast_Guidelines_Nov2024.pdf https://share.google/eN8ult55AsG0DClii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    No other RTE presenter comes close to his fastidiousness. But, yes, I am aware of the Media Commission’s guidelines. They are an embodiment of the stultifying proceduralism that has infected our country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,887 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Are you complaining about a presenter following the instructions of his employer?

    I reckon that Fairness, Objectivity, and Impartiality are pretty good things to be aiming for in broadcasting.

    If it takes following procedure to achieve them then I think it's worth the effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭GSF


    Running a free and fair election isn’t something that people should be complaining about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    I’ve just told you that he is much worse than his colleagues. That proves either that his colleagues are ignoring instructions or he is going above and beyond.

    I reckon that Fairness, Objectivity, and Impartiality are pretty good things to be aiming for in broadcasting.

    Of course those objectives are worthwhile, but that does not justify all and any methods to achieve them. That is the ideologue’s fallacy. “Impartiality is good, therefore we will not be mentioning any names in this broadcast lest they remind you of those of the candidates.” There comes a point when it is excessive and I think O’Connor is well past it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,887 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Worse is just your opinion, maybe he is better than other presenters at doing the job.

    I don't listen to every programme on RTE every day so I can't speak with certainty of others.

    I do listen to BO'C and have no problem with his implementation of RTE policy.

    We agree that trying to achieve Fairness, Objectivity and Impartiality is a worthwhile objective.

    Can you suggest different strategies to deliver the objective ?

    It's not about mentioning names that might remind listeners of a candidate, it's about mentioning the actual candidate.

    And in this case praise for the candidate was put forward IE. "he's very personable".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,768 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    RTE have to be very careful, politicians are looking the get any advantage they can, and a complaint against RTE wouldn't do their cause any harm. I have heard RTE using the guidelines on many different programmes, not just O'Connor. The BBC are the same, below is a small extract from a 26 page guideline document for election coverage in 2026. Boring stuff, but necessary.

    "Candidates or parties who have not demonstrated that they have substantial electoral support in that area must still be offered proportionate coverage. How that is achieved will be a matter for editorial judgment, but the following should be regarded as a minimum: Any reports, items, (including online), programmes (such as debates) or any other content which refer to only some of the candidates in an electoral area (or areas) should include, in sound and/or vision, a list of all candidates standing and their party (where applicable), or, as a minimum, should refer to an online list of all candidates and parties standing if and when available. If such a report is being broadcast several times on the same channel or station, a list of candidates and parties should be referred to on each occasion."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,822 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    It's a bit silly to get cross at somebody following the guidelines set down by their employer. I was listening to Morning Ireland yesterday and they also did the same "all candidate details can be found on the website" message. What would you prefer? That he not make references at all and put RTÉ in a position where they could be found impartial?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    The issue here is principally O’Connor’s crude way of doing it. As soon as he hears a compliance issue, any consideration towards polished broadcasting goes out the window.

    But I would hardly cite the BBC for support. It is the bureaucracy to end all bureaucracies, inspiration for Orwell’s 1984. And as bad as Ireland is, it hasn’t yet reached Britain’s level of capitulation to procedure and compliance - hundred-million pound bat tunnel, rapists who can’t be deported, etc.

    I am baffled by this stupidity. How many times must you be told that O’Connor is the outlier, even if other presenters do causally mention the list of candidates?

    You ask what we would prefer. A political and legal system that does not consider the merest mention of a name as evidence of impartiality; an end to hall-monitor, student-council governance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,310 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    They ALL do it, on radio and TV, because they have to.

    I'm no fan of Brendan covering his arse about everything but in this case it's necessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,394 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I'm sure Brendan's extreme diligence in following the guidelines is partially down to the time RTE got burnt when Rory O'Neil alleged that certain individuals and institutions were homophobic on Brendan's chat show.

    I know the guidelines are there and I understand why, but he really does seem highly attuned and more highly geared than anyone else I hear on the radio to stepping at the even slightest mere hint of anything being said, even to the point where it becomes comical and borderline illogical.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,822 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Thanks for calling me stupid, sound of you.

    I heard the comment, if memory serves it was coming out of a break which means a producer would have had a word in his ear.

    The likes of Morning Ireland cover specific topics so can just say at the start of their piece, the Sunday newspaper review is naturally a more rambling discussion so it wouldn't have made sense for him to say anything unless or until the bye-elections were mentioned.



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