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Liverpool FC - Talk /Gossip/Rumours 25/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭WealthyB


    Imagine Alonso at the helm and the first 3 results in the league are won one, drew one, lost one and then imagine the crowd reaction. People would be miffed but everyone would sensibly argue for giving him time to right the wrongs of this season. Now imagine Slot at the helm with the same set of results and imagine the crowd reaction.

    Slot has no credit left in the bank, we'd just start the season with all the toxicity we see now. Even if he won the first 5 the toxicity would be always there, waiting to rear it's head.

    Without signing a contract extension he'd start the season with everyone knowing he's gone eitherway the following summer. The definition of a lame duck manager.

    He simply has to go on June 1st and not a day later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Ideally we secure CL football against Villa, the club could then announce a mutual parting of the ways before the last game, so that he can get a proper send off and thanks for winning the league. It would turn the last match into a celebration rather than have a toxic atmosphere hanging around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Yeah I agree a lot on that too.

    Because of the way the season has panned out, and the toxicity at the moment, we still need to remember that he is a league winning manager and he is owed that celebration still. If they do announce a parting of ways I think he will get that thanks on the final day of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭McFly85


    It really wouldn’t and would be pretty harsh on Slot. Sacking him after securing CL and then having him be in the dugout at Anfield where fans are celebrating that he’s been sacked.

    If the club do move on its best to tell him and the players privately and announce it during the summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    My one fear with Alonso is we won't see a huge improvement in how we are on the eye.

    His closest comparison managerial style in the league would be Arteta.

    If you look at what he did best at BL, and then what he tried at Real. His sides are very positional, structured, and controlled in possession. Patient build up from the back with technical defenders with an obvious love for inverted wing-backs/full-backs.

    TBH its not a million miles from what Slot wants either!

    Some Real players and fans lost patience with it very quickly. He'll obviously get more time from our fan base but I'm not sure how much grace we have left after 1 season of dross.

    Id love a manager like Flick or Enrique who's sides thrive on chaos and constant movement. But I can't see us tempting any of those across.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,407 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I think our problems are down to player mentality and motivation

    If you have the ideal tactics and game plan that’s great, but it’s not going to work if the players aren’t all bought into it

    How many of these players would run through a brick wall for Slot?

    That’s our issue. I have no doubt that he’s an excellent tactical coach, but how well is he able to manage competing egos?

    As TAW said on a podcast, what Klopp did consistently was have our players play better than the sum of our parts. I don’t think Slot has done that, last year probably was sum of our parts and this year it’s somehow less



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,553 ✭✭✭mosstin


    Flick? Jesus wept, that high line of his would have the Royal Liverpool hospital coronary care department overwhelmed. Not for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    That's a large part of it, the players have to be willing to put in the effort for the manager and it's up to the manager to get that effort out of them. Even playing the wrong tactics but, getting the best effort out of players is better than the right tactics and poor effort; tactics can be changed even within games, effort level generally won't.

    When a manager can't get the best effort out of players it's time to go, no matter what he's won in the past, it happened to Mourinho at Chelsea - a legend at Chelsea but, once he lost the players he was finished, and right now it doesn't look like the players are playing for Slot, if they are, we are in even bigger trouble than we all thought, as if that's their best effort we are really screwed!

    That's why I think a change of manager is needed, the effort level will automatically rise, which makes a huge difference. In an ideal world, players should always give their best effort and face the consequences when they don't; one player not putting in the effort, it's down to that player, but, when several players not putting in the effort, it's down to the manager. Everyone needs to be pulling together in the same direction to have any chance to succeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Iraola is the interesting one for me. I think his style of football would excite everyone and be much more in line with what people have come to expect since Klopp.

    However, I read he is open to joining Crystal Palace which suggests to me bigger clubs aren't too interested (aside from Chelsea). He might not have the personality to handle things if results go poorly, that's the big concern.

    You don't know if a manager is up to the job until he's in it. By then it can be too late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Libertine07


    Alonso is all about high intensity and pressing, which couldn't be further from what we see under Slot right now. We certainly wouldn't be seeing the laziness and lack of fitness on display right now, or players constantly going on mini breaks around Europe in the middle of the season.

    He tried to implement his ideas at Madrid but had a small but vocal group of divas (Vinicius, Bellingham and Valverde) who thought they could do whatever the hell they wanted, and the president backed them. From that moment Alonso's authority was eroded and he had very little freedom to make the decisions he wanted to. So it's really difficult to judge what he did in Madrid, as that situation simply wouldn't happen at any sane club.

    I have no idea how he's comparable to Arteta, that doesn't make sense to me. His Leverkusen team was exciting to watch, Arsenal are torture to watch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Libertine07


    Quite a change in tone from Pearce today. I really hope this indicates that something is shifting behind the scenes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,303 ✭✭✭54and56


    If Slot does go and the criteria when selecting his replacement is that the style of fooball is both effective AND entertaining then is Andoni Iraola not the obvious candidate given he knows the PL, is an up and coming manager who has done an amazing job at Bournmouth despite losing his best players every year and seems to have that strength of character which not only imposes itself on the players but gets total player buy in when pressing etc?

    There will be a lot of clubs looking at Iraola during the summer but if Slot does move on then Liverpool should, IMHO, go to the top of that list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Dunno about Iraola. No doubt Bournemouth have been excellent to watch and he’s done well with what he has but Liverpool would be a big step up in terms of expectation. Also he doesn’t seem to be pushing for a much bigger job at the minute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,303 ✭✭✭54and56


    I'd rather an up and coming hungry manager with PL credentials who has the ambition and drive to take a big step up than someone who ticks more boxes in terms of experience but may not have the same level of hunger or ambition.

    There aren't too many managers who will be available or gettable in the summer for whom Liverpool wouldn't be a big step up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Does he have the ambition and drive though? Hes being strongly linked with Palace. Fine club but feels almost like a lateral move for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,407 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    It's like the idea of turning Liverpool into a destination team has backfired

    Now players rock up with a contract at Liverpool and think they've made it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭RedCardKid


    If Slot goes and I doubt he will, then it has to be Glasner for me. Wont be fancy stuff but he gets results and knows how to put a squad together. He is also not a yes man, which may be what is needed with all the men above him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    Liverpool are 1/2 to finish top 4 and 1/50 to finish top 5 way you all it’s as if it’s in doubt 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,553 ✭✭✭mosstin


    Glasner? He'd have trenches dug around the Anfield pitch by December from where he'd launch grenades at the owners. Falls out with owners everywhere he's been. Just no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,162 ✭✭✭Damien360




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭riddles


    Pearce now deciding doesnt matter how late you arrived at the party being there is all people will remember.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Libertine07


    Yep, thought I'd linked it but didn't seem to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    Alonso’s BK weren’t a high-intensity, high-pressing side. He played with a back three and wing-backs, and the whole philosophy was about controlling the game through the middle before progressing the ball out wide.

    The system was incredibly efficient because he had top class ball-playing centre-halves in Tah and Tapsoba. Both were comfortable carrying the ball out from deep, drawing pressure onto themselves and then breaking lines.

    That central buildup was the key to everything.

    He wanted the team to build patiently from deep, manipulate the opposition shape, and then get his wing-backs to the byline. Frimpong and Grimaldo were basically the main attacking outlets once the structure had pulled teams apart.

    There was also a mad stat from their title-winning season where Wirtz had the highest number of touches in the league, and nearly 50% of them came in his own half. That tells you everything about Alonso’s approach, he wanted his best players involved in progression from the very start of moves.

    It was much more about control, structure, and progression than constant pressing or chaos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,755 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Glasner is utterly self serving and he'd be sacked within 6 months, and the damage done within that period could be irreparable.

    It's grand giving it the big one at Palace, not so much at a club like Liverpool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭IrishOwl...


    I saw BL and Wirtz play live 3 times that season. He was probably one of the best players I seen in the flesh in the past 20 years.

    But because of what you just described I couldn't and still can't see how Slot was planning on getting the best out of him in a Liverpool shirt. There was times that season where he was the first receiver of the ball from the keeper.

    Wirtz is not a traditional No.10 where he'll just try link up with his front man. He has to be, and needs to be on the ball the whole time and the other 10 players need to play to his tune. I don't know if that will ever be possible for him in the PL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭brevity




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭brevity


    Reminds me of the AVB links all those years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭brevity


    Reminds me of the AVB links all those years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,563 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Does anyone believe that at HT, or FT, Slot loses his sh it in dressing room??? Like Jurgen would, Pep would , Arteta would. Say what you like, call him comical, or whatever, but they're top of league and in CL final, while I can't see us beating Villa, or Brentford. We're so fortunate that Bournemouth have City next, and that hopefully City can beat them, as if Bournemouth did win last two, and we Lose to Villa and draw at home to Brentford, it will be Bournemouth in 5th, and deservingly so . Players need pushing always, as they are on crazy money, and live great lives, if you don't demand it, you won't get it. There has to be standards, Slot can't just wish there to be, or hope there to be, you have to DEMAND IT 24/7 OR ELSE!

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    If Bournemouth beat City, they deserve 5th



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,065 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I can't believe Slot wants us to play the way we are playing style wise.

    So all the talk of Alonso being the same or whatever is moot to me, if Alonso plays that way then he has shown he does ot effectively.

    Slot hasn't shown that (given how different the Klopp-like style was last season).



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