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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    exactly the time to stop it I think was this!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,093 ✭✭✭✭adox


    Unreal fight but those last couple of rounds were very uncomfortable viewing. Wardley really has some chin but surely someone should have stopped it for his own good.

    Fair play to Dubois but I still think he’s not at the very top level and there’s still huge questions about his ability to manage big shots and pressure. He just seems to panic. Thought that second knock down was voluntary for Dubois cause he didn’t know what to do.

    But ultimately he came through it and won so hats off to him.

    Wardley just so unbelievably brave and tough. I’ve no idea how he stayed on his feet numerous times. Once the eye started giving him trouble, saw him wincing in a clinch in Dubois corner and knew something wasn’t right with it then, it all started to fall apart from him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    as good as his chin is, he was definitely wobbled and hurt and groggy by plenty shots; I can think of a few HWs who would barely flinch from those shots: McCall, Mercer, Vitali, Chuvalo to name a few. So from this fight tonight, no he’s not in any discussion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    That got very uncomfortable to watch, Wardley only had a punchers chance and early on it may have worked out, but that really should of been stopped a lot sooner, Wardley was at nothing really, very limited fighter, too easy to hit and too tough for his own good, he had a chance to get Dubois out early but when Dubois found his feet it was one way traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Post above. Yes, second KD was a voluntary panic knee he took. Definitely still has a fragility. Put this way, not a snowball’s chance in hell that DD would have been as tough and brave as Wardley had shoe been on other foot. DD has heart when he’s in command. But when under real pressure, it has lacked



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,289 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Wardley doesn't have a McCall type chin because he is frequently rocked and hurt but he is a tough boyo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,289 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Yes, it's hard to explain but DDD is a tough nut when he feels he is in charge and a quitter when he feels he is dominated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    Yeah, I mean I honestly thought Dubois was looking for an early exit tonight after the two knockdowns, but his better boxing allowed him to get on top, combine that with Wardley being so limited it all worked out for him in the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,163 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    In his defence on that one, I think he was genuinely shook by the shot.

    Enough to put him over on it's own ?.....no definitely not. But hurt him enough to leave him vulnerable to Wardley landing a follow up and finishing him ?.......yes absolutely. So I actually thought he was quite smart to take a knee and compose himself.

    Dubois showed tonight, that he still has some mental fragility. But in contrast to that, he also showed enough heart and toughness, that any quitter tag should be discarded going forward. He didn't bail out at the first (or second) sign of trouble, and as the fight wore on, even looked a lot more comfortable when Wardley was winging big shots towards him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    but like I said.. when he’s in command and bossing he has heart. Much easier to have heart in these situations. First KD was an absolute nothing. He said so himself. Second one was harder, but he seemed to want to go down to avoid riding it out. Panicked!!

    Not saying he has no heart. He does. But just not a huge amount in my view



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    From two fairly heavy knockdowns Dubois absolutely schooled Wardley. It was a mismatch. Dubois should get credit for that not criticism for going down. Wardley has some thinking to do. Takes a beating too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,163 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    Give me an honest answer to this. If he chose to stay up instead of take a knee on that second knockdown, what do you think would have happened following that moment ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    the first KD was absolutely not hard/heavy. Watch it. DD said himself it was a nothing flash KD; KD2 was harder, but nothing heavy at all. It wasn’t an actual KD (in the sense he had no choice but to go down) as DD chose to take the knee. Nobody criticised him for going down from either knockdown.

    DDs credit tonight: jab, fitness, concentration and pace!

    Post edited by walshb on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Yeah I'd we remember the loss Parker suffered to Wardley,some of the talk afterwards was that he should've taken a knee to avoid the ref stepping in.

    I agree with Walshb and others on DDDs "folding under pressure" trait, but that was a smart decision that was a bit of a turning point in the flight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    not sure. But from what I saw, and others, he seemed to panic and took a knee to try erase the panic/doubt. It’s not really a criticism, more an observation. Lot other fighters would have stayed up and either tried unload or covered up to ride it out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I agree. I think it was a smart decision for DD to take the knee. Could well have won him the fight. Had Wardley got in another heavy shot, it was probably over!! So, it’s two things: a clever move by DD, but also in my view a sign that he is a panicker under adversity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,163 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    I agree he did panic.......because he was definitely hurt by the shot, and we all know Wardley would have finished a hurt Dubois should be have stayed up, including Dubois, hence it was a smart decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,701 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    well that was some fight last night and i really enjoyed it until the last couple of rounds, the towel should have come in for Wardley

    Dubois was nervous going into that fight which is no surprise after getting beaten last time out, the first flash knock down buzzed him and he cleared his head, he boxed clever and didn’t rush his work using the ropes, it’s a shame his inside game isn’t up to much

    He made the right choice taking a knee later on to clear his head because Wardley was still fresh and could have finished him, may as well use the 8 count as that’s what it’s there for and as we saw with fury it is worth it.

    Wardley did well to last but he took far too much damage for my liking and there’s no need for that, a hurt fighter shouldn’t be kept in to get hurt more just because he has a chance of a haymaker

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Anyone else fed up with these rematch clauses. Fight barely over and Warren on about the rematch clause.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    A thought I’ve been having is that to a large extent Wardley really had this beat down coming. Antagonising and belittling a beast like Dubois is a foolish thing to do. He fell for the ‘other job’ quiz and the binman was going to annoy Dubois. Then he tried to embarrass him saying he doesn’t run his own socials. He questioned his ability to go to war. Dubois saved it all up and used it as additional motivation and something into which he could channel his own energy and focus. He was locked in all along.
    he had a dream start but having very limited fundamentals finally caught up with him and he couldn’t build on that. Dubois made adjustments and he didn’t. Ring iq my ass. He got well and truly shown up. From round 3 he was a punchbag. Took a real beating and I credit that of course but there’s an element of “chat sh*t get banged about this fight”

    Contrast the difference with Usyk, a real thinker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I think we all knew as regards technical skills and fundamentals, DD clearly superior. Wardley was always dangerous, but mostly from just haymakers!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,093 ✭✭✭✭adox


    Plus I rarely pay any attention to pre match chatter. Its main purpose is to drum up more interest in the fight and rarely if ever to be taken seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭Dr.Tom


    Am I the only one who sees Dubois as not being a world class boxer who won’t successfully defend the title?

    He won the fight. He battered Wardley.

    But he should have got him out of there a lot earlier though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    DDs chin is funny. At times he’s wobbled and dropped from average shots, and other times he takes heavier shots better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The division isn’t great. He’s as world class as others who are highly ranked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Let’s get Kabayel-Dubois.. should be a barn-burner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    That would be a super fight I’d love to see it. If Parker gets all straightened out then that’s a great fight. He will go a different direction that Usyk and that’s better for us all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    I think Kabayel beats him, Kabayel can box and he can bang, a dangerous combination for Dubois, I hate saying it again but there are still question marks over Dubois, he's a good front runner, but there are serious question marks when he's under the cosh.

    Last night he was saved by Wardleys limited ability, that wont happen against Kabayel, if Kabayel had him where Wardley had him last night it gets stopped imo, even last night I got the impression Dubois was looking for an exit, Wardley just couldn't capitalize.

    Also if I was Itauma id fancy a shot against Dubois, I think his aggression, speed and power would terrify Dubois.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 401 ✭✭Dr.Tom




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