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How many of us think that unification is no longer a priority and don't really want unification ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes, they came under pressure they could no longer resist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Any chance of a partition party for the North of England in the coming years? Seems somewhat likely, although, you'd have to figure out who pays the dole for Northerners once the London lifeline is cut…



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No they didn't come under some ephemeral pressure. They were forced into a choice by circumstances put in place by a stronger party - either accept the sea border or have no deal whatsoever.

    There is no comparable outcome available for the independence movements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Doesn’t need to be ‘comparable’.

    All that is required is a set of circumstances that brings a change in attitude.
    Again given what we have watched that is quite possible.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The sea border had nothing to do with a change in attitude - the attitude never changed - it had to do with literally being forced into it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That was October 2018. In January of the same year the head of the British Police in NI itself said the same thing.

    For it to be a 'threat' both men would have had to have control or be involved in the directing of a group engaged in violence.

    The British took the warning(s) on board and over 500 MPs voted for a Sea Border and Johnson's government implemented it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    No such thing as "the head of the British Police in NI" so no point in reading the rest of your post.

    Even if such a person did exist, I wonder would he or she be entitled to compensation for resettlement to Britain in the event of a U.I., as you said previously that in the event of a U.I. you would get the British taxpayer to pay unionists to leave the island. They might have to declare themselves to be a unionist first? In the event of a U.I., why would you pay unionists to leave the island but not nationalists or republicans?

    So many questions you still have to answer. Imagine if the British government enticed Celtic supporters in Scotland to go home with financial compensation? Seems like you have not thought out your one idea for a U.I. very well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The PSNI is a British police force and Hugh Orde was it’s head when he warned (long before Varadkar) about a hard border.

    But you will ignore that in order to get what is a belligerent Unionist sulk because the Johnson government used and then shafted them into the thread.

    It’s as pathetic as it is false.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I thought the PSNI was from N.I. and not Britain?

    When are you going to answer questions about your plan for unionists in the evemt of a U.I.?

    You have close on 80,000 posts arguing for a U.I., but you are not honest enough even to answer questions on the one part of the plan you have revealed? What sort of a S.F. supporter are you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I said the PSNI is a British police force under the control of the British government.
    I said that I would be in favour of a scheme to assist those ‘who could not live in a UI’ to leave if that was what they wanted.

    If the British government wanted to ignore them and abandon them I would have no issue with a new UI government assisting them as the Irish government did when Britain took the north’s students out of the Erasmus scheme.


    All I can do here is state the facts in reply to your continual altering of what people say.

    Goodnight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    No, you did not say that, you said ( and I quote) "the head of the British Police in NI"? Just wondering who do you mean? You do realise Britain is different to N. Ireland, and the P.S.N.I. stands for Police Service of Northern Ireland?

    Your dislike of them shines through anyway: not surprising when you (like Gerry Adams) refused to condemn the murder of RUC.

    You never mentioned the Erasmus scheme before. Just that you think the British government should pay for Unionists to leave the island in the event of a U.I.

    You never said that if the British govt would not do so then the new Irish govt would do so.

    There are many Irish people now who feel as if they can not live in Ireland : if S.F. was in power do you think the British should give these emigrants £50,000 to leave? And failing that the Irish govrernment now you say? Or would they have to be those unionists / west Brits who you despise?

    Maybe you would select those to leave the country on a points system, evaluated by a Republican committee as Gaelige? If they refused to speak a cupla focail, or if they were members of the O.O., they could build up points to leave the country? Have your comrades discussed it behind closed doors at the Ard Fheis I wonder?

    Come on, tell us more of your plans for a U.I.?

    Post edited by Francis McM on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Does feel like these islands are heading towards a tipping point.

    UK about to dump yet another PM too.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Jon burrows from the most moderate unionist party just about sums up the chances of a united ireland. In 2050 sf will tell us it will be in 2055

    https://x.com/uuponline/status/2053871062933278963/video/1?s=46



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Given he has been tasked to make the UUP appear more hardline to stop their vote bleed, nothing surprising there tbh. What was he expected to say?

    They are all out talking developments down, rattled would be the impression that gives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    He also warned about the PIRA controlling Sinn Fein, didn't he?

    Was he right about that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Lots say that. As long as they are engaged in exclusively peaceful means, as our own leading parties evolved to, it doesn’t bother me or the many who elect them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    when did he warn that? Do you not mean that he was quoting the Guarda and PSNI who both said that the IRA was controlling Sinn Fein? Don’t shoot the messenger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    And it doesn’t bother me either. I accepted it many years ago, though they’re not likely to admit it because we all know:



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It is ‘some members view. We don’t know who they are though. Could be disgruntled ex members , who knows.

    Crucially, it stated it was the view of IRA members that the army council oversees both the IRA and Sinn Féin “with an overarching strategy”. This strategy has “a wholly political focus”, it added



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Just interesting that Orde is being quoted as the font of all wisdom, as he had a lot to say during his time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    'All wisdom'…there you go again, altering what is said in order to get a point to rebuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A glimpse at what may lay ahead as the chaos in the UK deepens.

    Farage may appear outwardly to respect the sovereignty of Northern Ireland, but you would be hard pushed to find a man less trustworthy than one who would sell his soul for an eighty quid ‘shout-out’ on TikTok.

    As the major architect of the self-inflicted wound that was Brexit, Farage was only too happy, or rather too ignorant, to the disastrous consequences for Northern Ireland. We were collateral damage and he didn’t give a damn.

    He is keen for the UK to remove itself from the European Convention of Human Rights, a key driver of the Good Friday Agreement, which would potentially destabilise the peace deal. Would the same man lose much sleep over the prospect? I very much doubt it.

    For decades, unionists have centred their world around three key benefits of the union: the NHS, the stability, security and international standing of being part of a world power, and the security blanket of economic support from London. On all three fronts, Westminster is failing us.

    The NHS, which has so proudly and effectively delivered the cushion of free healthcare for many years, now lies in ruins. Farage himself has indicated a desire to move to an insurance-based healthcare system.

    A shared island of mutual consent, a merger of cultures, economies and societies, is a conversation we must now have.

    This mature approach to a New Ireland will ensure a thriving, long-lasting, harmonious way of life, ironing out the foreseeable concerns and planning together to overcome inevitable obstacles.

    It is not victory of one dogma over another. If it is portrayed as such, the New Ireland will simply adopt the same fractious community that has gone before.

    There must be a seat at the table for everyone. We have a very real chance at something remarkable.The question remains whether we will grasp it or waste it.

    Linzi McLaren: If Farage is the future, a truly shared ‘New Ireland’ is a prize worth winning – The Irish News



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Farage equals selling out to the nth degree the UK to American interests. This is only the last leg of a long drawn out dissolution of British corporate power and replacement by American companies. Nothing would please the right wing of USA more than a replacement of the National scheme by privatized insurance, in which case American companies would smash and grab. Same thing where Public healthcare exists, such as the Public or Canada, etc…

    There is precious little left of an actual British owned corporate environment today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,062 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    One gets the feeling Unionism will make the Brexit mistake again. They'll hitch their wagon to Farage and Reform and it will all end in tears.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Partitionists who constantly refuse to form democratic political parties to stand against Irish reunification won't like the following RTE article which argues for a United Ireland from an economic perspective as a counter balance against the continuing growth of the Dublin region.

    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2026/0509/1570595-economy-northern-ireland-dublin-belfast-cork-scale-focus/



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    1. What partitionists? There is a difference between not considering reunification a priority or not thinking it is the right time and being actively opposed to it
    2. Why would anyone need to form a political party to stand against something that isn't happening?

    You could just leave it as an interesting counterpoint (which it is, though it glosses over a great, great many obstacles and fundamentally misunderstands the limitations in Dublin). There is modelling that accounts for exactly this kind of thing though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    That would really work for people in Dublin and to the South of it, vote for a united Ireland and all the jobs and investment will go to Belfast.

    The article presents a very simple and simplistic analysis.



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