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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    That would only make sense if someone was praising what Hamas did. Linehan supporting israel is probably just a right wing grift anyway. He was not a vocal supporter of them until he decided to move to America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel


    Probably. Sam Harris had a very "WTF am I doing in my life?" moment for similar reasons. Like "glinner" he engaged with social media with probably good intentions starting out. And he got push back, misrepresentations and character assassinations as a result.

    Where glinner and Harris diverge though is Harris was on holiday with his family - apparently they had not had a holiday of any sort for a very loong time and there was family stress because of this - and Harris describes how some Twitterverse blow up about him resulted in him "fire fighting" attacks on his character.

    Unlike glinner Harris said "what the hell am I doing. I am missing this holiday with my family. I am investing time fighting fires that will never go out given there will ALWAYS be someone who will misrepresent me and assasinate me" and he did not just put the phone down but essentially quite all social media entirely.

    glinner seems to have gone the other way. He seems to have become the real world embodiment of the xkcd "I cant come to bed - someone is wrong on the internet" cartoon. And the harder he tries to stamp out people who go after him a) the harder they come for him and b) the more extreme and unhinged he clearly appears to be. And he lost his family in much the same way as Sam Harris could have.

    I wish I could meet him. I wish I could get him out for a short run - a few hours with my dogs - a few hours on the BJJ mats training with my tutilage - and try some of my cooking. And let him see what life he is missing. And then sit him down with a few people who TODAY are still discovering the comedy material that some people on this thread want to dismiss as ancient and outdated and how much joy that material is actually STILL bringing to people today. My 15 year old daugther only relatively recently got introduced to Father Ted.

    I think I could fix him and take him out of this absolute hole he is Quick Sanding into. I do not think he is a bad person. I think he STARTED with good intentions. He is just lost. Very. Very. Lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I've heard of that book, I think from Freddie De Boer, who is very against directed communication. It must be an American thing, I have a non-verbal autistic brother (albeit in his forties now) and had never heard of this till recently. It absolutely is pseudoscience, and I do agree with Freddie that it plays into the gentrification of autism, were the disabling aspects of it are being denied by more high functioning people.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Yeah ok, I could turn it around it and say Israel are trying to get their hostages back and some of those are women and try and justify it that way. It's not a great argument and either way it's irrelevant as the war over there isn't a women's rights issue.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    quoted wrong person



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    At the very least, a bro movie. I can see Jason Segel in there somewhere lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    You could turn around and say what you like, but Israel are killing thousands of innocent women and no 'but whatabout' is going to change that.

    You can talk about Hamas, whoever the f*ck. Nobody is saying anyone is supporting them. You're only doing it because you're trying to distract from Israel committing genocide just like the Nazi's tried to do - and Graham Linehan supports that.

    That's why it's relevant. Although I suspect I'll be wasting my time explaining to your disingenous self anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Funny how there was no follow up to this. Also funny how the person who replied to me completely ignored the death threats to Rowling. It really says it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I asked you did you think Linehan was a feminist and you gave your reply - so why would I follow-up?

    I dont support any death threats so I'm really confused why you are tryiing to misrepresent me here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Because it's all they have.

    They can't defend the indefensible, so they choose misrepresentations and lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    That bring to mind a case of a female carer found guilty of abusing a male patient - she claimed he told her he loved her, though he was non verbal. I think the same type of communication was used.

    I don't believe in being gratuitously offensive, but if you're not willing to offend then you're not willing to discuss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Linehan was arrested for making jokes about trans activists and activism because of a complaint. There may be people who think this should be seen as normal and justified but what next, stand-up comedians being hauled off stage to 'help police with their enquiries'?

    Some posters seem to be justifying it by saying Linehan supports this or that and shows a lack of empathy which is irrelevant to the arrest. He wasn't arrested for supporting Israeli actions in Gaza or ICE's in America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He was arrested for inciting violence.

    The first post, from his X feed, said: "If a trans-identified male is in a female-only space, he is committing a violent, abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops and if all else fails, punch him in the balls."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07p7v2nn8mo

    The constant whitewashing is why I have to keep asking for evidence.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Calling that post incitement to violence is absolutely ridiculous and in the end he wasn't even charged with that. That's why the activist had to keep on goading him into a reaction, which he was eventually cleared of anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I have yet to see any arrests of transactivists protesting women's events with placards saying the only good TERF is a dead TERF for incitement to violence. If anyone had evidence to the contrary I'd be delighted to see it.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    This is from the judgement and why Graham Linehan's charges were dismissed.

    115. However, it is an important factor to consider. I do not find that the complainant was as“alarmed and distressed” as they portrayed themself to be by these messages and this courseof conduct. That is for the following reasons.

    116. Firstly, the complainant did not describe the effect that this conduct had on them in anyway other than to simply say that they were “alarmed and distressed” and they used this phrase repeatedly. I accept that the complainant was 17 at the time, 18 at the time that they appeared before me and a young witness. I accept that it is sometimes difficult to articulate oneself when appearing before a court and that is a stressful experience. However, it was striking that no matter what was asked of the complainant, this was the answer. I counted at least eight occasions in their evidence in chief when they were asked how they felt in response to an action of the defendant and that was the answer that they gave. On occasions they were able to explain why that was and one of the answers was that the defendant had a large following and they wereconcerned that anyone could see the post and cause grave harm to them.

    117. Secondly, despite expressing such concern, the complainant attended the BOI conference on the 19th October 2024 where they must have known that there would be a largenumber of people in attendance who held opposing views. Furthermore, whilst the complainant may not have known that the defendant would have been present, having seen the defendant was present, they approached the defendant on more than one occasion, filming the defendant, engaging with the defendant, responding to the defendant’s unpleasant comments to them,calling him an incel too. In one of the videos in which the complainant films themself and the defendant whilst calling him an incel, the complainant in my view looks visibly happy and not distressed. These in my view are not the actions of someone who was alarmed and distressed in the way that the complainant sought to portray.

    118. Thirdly, the complainant did not report the posts immediately and when they were reported, it was not by the complainant. The complainant’s evidence was that by the 11th October 2024 they were aware of the posts of the defendant about them. Yet on the 19th October 2024 after the BOI when the complainant does contact the police, they report what is described as an assault, what I have described as the phone incident. The complainant does not report for example that this man has also been harassing them online and they are upset, harassed, alarmed, distressed (or whatever form of words might be chosen) about that. In fact, the first person to report the harassment was not the complainant at all. It was reported by Michelle Louise Burrows and Lyndsey Watson. It was only later that the complainant then engaged withthe police about the harassment allegation.

    119. Of course, whether the complainant was alarmed or distressed, is not the sole determinative factor. However, I cannot be sure that that conduct was oppressive and unacceptable beyond merely unattractive, annoying or irritating for the following reasons:

    120. Firstly, context is key in a case such as this. It is right to view the messages in the context of what was taking place at the time and the reasons for the posts. The defendant’s case is thathe was seeking to “de mask” the complainant or destroy their anonymity as in the defendant’s view, the complainant was responsible for the release of insects at the LGBA conference,infiltrated other GC events and was causing disruption. His evidence was that he wanted to warn others in the GC community of the complainant’s identity to prevent the complainant from being able to take such action. There is no evidence that the complainant released the insects at the LGBA conference. However, for whatever reason, logical or otherwise, the defendant took the view that the complainant did have involvement in this. I accept the defendant’s evidence in this regard. He may have been wrong about this, but I accept that he genuinely believed the complainant was involved. He was not wrong however, that the complainant had attended a GC event purporting to be aligned with that movement. There is a photograph of the complainant at a LWS event. The complainant is wearing a scarf which, whilst the complainant was reluctant to accept this initially, was associated with LWS and the GC movement. The complainant accepted that they did not make their opposing views known when attending this event.Whatever the complainant’s motives for this, the defendant was not wrong about this, and further I accept his evidence that he believed that the complainant was deliberately infiltrating GC events.

    121. Some of the messages posted by the defendant whilst seeking to “de mask” the complainant were deeply unpleasant, and he could have achieved the same result without theinsulting comments that accompanied those messages. However, it is clear that he was gathering information about the complainant and with a view to taking it to the police asevidenced by his post of 13th October 2024 at page 12 of the trial bundle “GC peeps I’m preparing a document on this guy to give to the police. In the meantime block all these accounts they areall him”.

    122. Secondly, I view what the defendant was posting about the complainant in the context of what the complainant was prepared to say about others and to others online. It is relevant to consider the world in which the complainant was living virtually, what they were prepared to say to others. In Hayden v Dickenson [ 2020] EWHC 3291 (QB) Nicklin J said that the court can reasonably expect a person who is the subject of unwanted communications to engage in a degree of self-help before seeking to obtain a harassment injunction from the court. The first step is self-resilience. This is all the more important if a person intends to engage in public debate. The complainant was engaging in such a “debate” if calling someone a ‘nonce’ can be considered a debate. But Nicklin J said that even outside the arena of debate most people will encounter occasional online comments which are offensive and upsetting. I accept that Hayden was decided in the context of a civil injunction, but the court in Hayden was considering section 1 of the Protection from Harassment Act which is what I am considering. As such it is important to consider the sort of interactions that the complainant was having online. The complainant called one X user a “**** weirdo nonce” and in a post asking about an X user said “does anybody have any information on this shameful terf? She took a photograph of me exiting a court room in connection to the QRT which is a crime”. A post seeking information about someone similar to the way in which the defendant sought information about the complainant. The complainant also referred to Thames Pilgrim and said they “regularly harasses 16 year old girls and obsesses over them online. Thames Pilgrim also attends court to intimidate said 16 year old girls.”. The complainant posted a picture of what seems to be Thames Pilgrim making comments about them and tagging them into the post. Posting a picture of Maria Mac Lachlan the complainant says “I keep a record of absolutely everything, including yourderanged and obsessive tweets. Now baiiiiii! Go lie about tour assault more”. As outlined above,29 the complainant responded to a post about Posie Parker having soup thrown on them, which someone says “Thank god it wasn’t acid” and the complainant said “really wish it was though”.

    123. Part of the allegation against the defendant is that he was seeking details of the complainant in the posts that he made. However, the complainant, as above was doing the same of others and in relation to the defendant, was able to find the defendant’s name, address,date of birth and phone number. The complainant provided an explanation as to how they did this yet in a recorded audio with an unknown person was heard to explain that they had a facility to enable them to find such information before it was “patched”. I am not suggesting that two wrongs make a right, however, this is something which goes to resilience and therefore is relevant.

    124. Thirdly, I bear in mind that in all bar one of the posts by the defendant, he does not tag the complainant in the post. He must have tagged them in the post in which he listed their“socks” as he described them. However, all other posts made by the defendant did not tag anyof the accounts which the complainant was responsible for. It was the complainant’s evidence that they did not become aware of the posts until another unnamed person either told themabout the posts or sent the posts to them. Therefore, whilst the conduct was targeted in thesense that the messages over this charged period were all about the complainant, they were not targeted directly at the complainant, and he did not direct them specifically to the complainant.

    125. Therefore whilst I am sure that the messages when brought to the complainants attention probably were concerning and upsetting, and viewed objectively are deeply unpleasant and insulting and even unnecessary in the sense that the defendant could havesought to de mask the complainant without using such unpleasant language, I do not find that they were oppressive and unacceptable beyond merely unattractive, annoying or irritating and do not cross the boundary from the regrettable to the unacceptable

    So long and short of it both Graham and Sophia say terrible things online about other people. Sophia claimed to be scared and upset, yet was deliberately going to women's rights conferences to disrupt them. The phone damage was a claim made up at a later stage when the case was closed to reopen it. It was clearly a coordinated attempt to rile up people at the conference and then get charges against if they took the bait.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭greyday


    What exactly is wrong with what he said?

    From my reading of it he is saying do everything in your power to remove the biological male from the woman’s space but as a last resort you punch biological male in the balls, not sure how unreasonable that is for a woman who feels threatened by a biological male in a female only space tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Trans activists would travel miles in the hope of being distressed or offended.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Linehan was clearly having a play on the words of the trans activist who addressed a public gathering with the words "if you see a terf today, punch them in the face", and the fact that the "woman" in question would have balls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Sex matters have a long list of very unpleasant harassment and assault on their website - director Helen Joyce was the subject of a vile death threat for which the obviously mentally ill perpetrator got a suspended sentence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Well at least there has been some action taken against these violent threats.

    Some of the incidents described in that list are shameful. I'm glad they noted that women activists are not engaging in the same vein as transactivists are.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Incidentally, I've posted that Sex matters litany at least twice previously. Based on the to and fro earlier on the thread, we can logically conclude that since on those occasions none of the Linehan condemners went through the list condemning each incident in turn, that they are supporters of violence and harassment against women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    If these trans activists received even one of the threats that they dish out to women on a regular basis we'd never hear the end of it. And not just threats, women have actually been assaulted by these people. The notion that they are the most persecuted minority ever and in constant danger is delusional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭SnazzyPig


    This thread seems to be a 'safe space for all the cranks who got their arses handed to them on the two 'Trans' threads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    So we have three trans threads? Seems a bit excessive when we have only one immigration one. I would consider this one more a Graham Linehan one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    @For Petes Sake - you were repeatedly posting that women here who object to male people in female sports, male people (not transwomen but men who are just gender non conforming) using women's spaces and being imprisoned in women's prisons, men being referred to as women just because of gender traits (all of these concerns for women)... as just hating trans people for being trans. You even said JK Rowling, Sharron Davies and Riley Gaines don't give a **** about women/women's sports - they just hate trans people. That is very much a case of not supporting women when you disagree with them. You even said specifically judging by *my* posts that I hate trans people when I've never indicated anything of the sort because it is simply not the case. I am against men just insisting they are women and vice versa, not genuine trans people. But I appreciate you engaging and not ignoring or spitting out dismissive comments like two others do. It's extremely hypocritical and kinda amazing of you though to keep complaining about lies and misrepresentation (which it isn't - I am only going by your posts) when you're doing that very thing, not based on posts, just based on things you're making up. I condemn Israel's attacks on Gaza - you know who else do? Neo nazis - but that hardly makes me the same as a neo nazi. I never implied anything about what you do regarding coaching (because it was before you talked about it) - I was only referring to your posts. And I did not say whatsoever that you wish to flood women's sports with men - this is an example of you making something up based on a comment that didn't even imply it.

    @ancapailldorcha - you are pretending that Linehan NEVER supported women. You're not just referring to recent times, but never ever. Now I think he has become an absolute scumbag, and I do think that he still supports women but only those whose views he likes (just like you and Boggles, who never condemn abuse of women whose views you don't like) however it's simply a falsehood to claim he never ever supported women. Saying this over and over doesn't make it true, and lying doesn't look good. He originally became concerned about women's spaces because of concern for women, he supported repealing the 8th amendment (which contradicts your claim that he never ever cared about women). He used to be very left-leaning - and would have shared a lot of your views. You just cannot honestly deny this. And someone recently did a "this you?" with an old tweet of his that condemned Israel (which I enjoyed). He has changed horribly, but it's just false to claim he was always this way. People can and do change often.

    @o1s1n - gender refers to non biological characteristics. That's the origin of the term. The most ardent TRAs will concede that gender is not sex, which is exactly correct, yet they argue that these non biological characteristics are sufficient to change a woman to a man, and a man to a woman. Language evolving is by consensus and organically - not through having it forced, and through changing descriptors, not immutable, observable, concrete, tangible entities. Meaning is important - particularly when it comes to single sex spaces and healthcare and sports. Sex can't just be disregarded. I know you have said nobody really thinks a man can be a woman and vice versa, but some are pretending they can, with all the conviction of it being true. With the result of dishonest nonsense being treated as reality. And merely just via gender expression. Also to you and @Former Former Former - I don't get the argument that there are bigger things to worry about. Like you can't be concerned about both. Do I find the misogyny from the manosphere worse? Yes, but that still doesn't mean I won't therefore find it offensive when a male is on a winner's podium for a female sporting contest (like FFF alluded to) or a male is in a female prison for violent/sexual crimes, or a male is in the news for violent/sexual crimes and referred to as a woman and "she". Even if it doesn't happen a massive amount, it still shouldn't be happening. You are men so it doesn't affect you, but try to see it from the perspective of women who are affected by it. If a man was uncomfortable with a gender non conforming woman using the men's toilets or changing rooms, hell yeah I'd understand why he feels that way. And yes I know there are women who don't pay attention to it (I used to be one - although it wasn't a thing until recent years when it was decided that gender expression alone was enough to deem someone the same as the opposite sex) but if you do get into a topic, you'll discuss it - particularly if your views are constantly misrepresented and lied about. If it were not for the dishonest, incoherent nonsense, these threads wouldn't exist, because it's NOT simply about trans people being trans. This preposterousness is from a website that isn't even for trans people specifically. It's a period underwear website:

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    Speaking of the manosphere, the abuse of a violent and sexual nature from TRAs towards women, gives it some stiff competition.
    As for the algorithm thing, people are actually trying to argue with a straight face that Twitter wouldn't show anything and everything - no matter how absurd - that's vaguely connected to other posts the user has read, let alone engaged with. Yet the same people would (rightly) agree that it's a toxic s-hole whose aim is to polarise. If you're following the attacks on Gaza, you will see horrendous slaughter apologism.

    And yes, only a handful of people who are trans or gender non conforming are complete arseholes or creeps - they are not representative of all trans or GNC people (many of them are not trans at all) - but it's still considered bigotry to criticise the ones who are scumbags and creeps when their behaviour is just offensive. People criticise bad behaviour all the time while not claiming that this represents the entire group they're members of.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Apparently, JK Rowling now has a transgender MP which is just hilarious.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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