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Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The firing of Rowntree did not have no explanation, it had no clear public explanation but a lot of potentially deliberately leaked info about how untenable his position was. And it is not like any player came out publicly to back him up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,087 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    And it is not like any player came out publicly to back him up.

    Quite the opposite in fact, Conor Murray was absolutely scathing of him (after he'd retired).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Would you expect any current player to come out publicly to back him after he was gone tho, even if they were in favour of him staying?

    I wouldn’t for fairly obvious reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭50HX


    Yeah good man Conor, easy to write it after the event to get some traction for book sales.

    He wasnt happy for long periods with aspects of how the club was run, this was also supported by other former "senior players".

    Didnt hear anything of these senior players though heading up the M7 to voice concerns with the irfu if that the club was being so badly run or did they ever raise it with club level hierarchy?

    Senior players who were also seasoned internationals & Lions players so they'd experienced other set ups & how they were run therefore knowing what a poorly structured set up looks like.

    They knew exactly which side their bread was buttered both financially & from a player welfare aspect...hence they never jumped ship abroad.

    Murray a fantastic player & one of the best we've every produced but I wouldnt light the fire with his book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,087 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Not sure what your point is here but it's interesting that you see the players as the problem rather than Rowntree or Munster management.

    It was widely reported that players' dissatisfaction with Rowntree and his broken relationship with senior players is exactly what led to his removal. So yes, I'm guessing they did indeed raise it with club hierarchy.

    Yeah good man Conor, easy to write it after the event to get some traction for book sales.

    He's hardly going to write a tell-all book while still playing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    Certainly one of the blander autobiographies I've read. Trying to make a huge story of sneaking out of Carton House for a Big Mac…..you'd swear it was one last hit of heroin he was after!😅

    God be with the days of Axel's book and the story of him being taken out for a feed of pints the night before his Ireland debut. I can't exactly remember who by…but pretty sure Mick Galwey and The Claw were involved. Someone might be able to correct me, long time since I read the book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭50HX


    I've no doubt Rowntree position became untenable & particularly on that trip to SA it was the breaking point & from what ive heard it was the correct call that he had to go.

    I'm talking about his description of previous management's but yet nothing offered about "we" the senior players (who agreed with what he's written in the book) tried to do anything about it.

    Instead i'll moan about it when I retire because that's the safer option.

    Obviously is the reply to your last sentence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Why would you expect to be kept informed of any communications between senior players and the union? Should they have kept you in the loop or something?

    How and why do you think Rowntree was sacked mid season exactly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭budhabob


    Munster is in such a sorry state, it's actually quite upsetting. I can take the bad performances, I can take the associated financial impacts, but all the compounded issues point to a leadership void. McMillan at least is fronting up.

    I want Munster to be my outlet, talking about performances, injuries, signings and tactics....not all this crap.

    Connacht evening reporting all existing players today in a clear succinct fashion, I want that simple comms plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭50HX


    I don't expect to be kept informed of anything between senior players & irfu.

    I'm just pointing out he had a gripe with the mismanagement of the club which was backed up by other ex players he played with.

    I'm merely questioning if he/they were that unhappy for that extended period of time did they not voice their concerns?

    First any of us heard of it was in the book.

    Rowntree was real old school esp re contact load at training sessions which when you look back at the injury profile at the time stacks up.

    There was talk of his personal issue as well which i'll leave out of this forum.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Munster will announce departing players in the next week or two. They do the same every season. Tomorrow is Connachts last home game, so they probably announced it today to give the departing players a bit of a send off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,576 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Kendellen makes his 100th cap for Munster tonight.

    I think he's the youngest player to achieve that at Munster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Murray’s book was blandness personified, but no worse than any of the other rugby autobiographies we’ve been “treated” to over the years. I think it’s a tie for me between Dricco’s and ROG’s for the worst I’ve read in recent years, but Willie John McBride’s is the worst I’ve ever read. The problem with almost all recent rugby books is you can tell the players are far too concerned with future off-field earning opportunities to say anything remotely controversial, and for similar reasons there’s a strong reluctance to offer anything but the mildest criticism of former colleagues, management, clubs etc.

    Eddie O’Sullivan’s book is if nothing else, brutally honest, and one of the better rugby books I’ve read.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭moby2101


    Honourable mention for Johnny Wilkinsons book, one of the better reads, agree that a lot of the recent works are unoriginal and shite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    I have heard of this personal issue from someone very close to the squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    I was lucky enough to listen to Willie John speak at a sportman's evening, he is very good, had a crowd of 200 in the palm of his hand, almost in the dressingroom with him.

    Personally I really enjoyed Johnny Sexton's book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    I heard him give an after dinner speech many years ago and he was engaging. His autobiography however is atrociously bad.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,919 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    if he genuinely had a personal issue Murray sticking the boot in on him is 10x worse. Rowntree was the only named person in Murray’s book who shipped any blame right? So just vaguely allude to Munster admin for player recruitment and coaching decisions but name and shame the guy who is outside the protective bubble of Munster because he had personal issues?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Two wins for munster is likely a QF in pretoria



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭50HX


    Don't see that happening.

    Will be watching from behind the couch 🙈



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭budhabob


    Is that based on results elsewhere so far this weekend?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭Boscoirl


    Abraham’s starts ahead of Daly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Leinster and bulls win next week then the Bulls are 4th.

    Two wins for munster (with no BP) and they finish 5th

    Two Munster Tbp Wins and the Bulls travel to Thomond



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,576 ✭✭✭✭phog


    That's probably likely but if Munster get at least 9 points from their two remaining games then Bulls end up behind us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭oppiuy


    We are absolutely useless in every facet of the game. So fed up this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    No scrum, no lineout, no half backs.....

    No hope.

    "SUBSCRIBE TO BOARDS YOU TIGHT CÙNT".....Plato 400 B.C



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭budhabob


    Hopefully we see Bartley early in the 2nd half, MA has been a liability in the 1st.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,684 ✭✭✭black & white


    Lads, talking to people who are more familiar with latest rugby laws than me and they say the red card is correct but ffs for an Alikadoo like me it’s like the game has gone soft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭Pepp1989


    Its just a terrible squad lads. Cant handle any level of injury stress. Not enough talent being brought through. Hierarchy and structural issues have let all other provinces move away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Its a croc roll which can cause serious knee injuries



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