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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    What I think is, a. It wasn't an 'execution' it was an extra-judicial killing something not uncommon in the U.S. where law enforcement are routinely armed, often heavily, b. I think I'd rather stay out of the U.S. thank you very much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,641 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    @Mother Shaboobu But that thing of only supporting women on their "side" is just as applicable to some of the lads here.

    @For Petes Sake Show me where I don’t support women, please.

    @Quantum Erasure You weren't too fond of Maria Steen, she's a woman.

    QED

    QED



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    No one can support every single woman's opinion especially when they have opposing ones. Just putting a QED after a weak point doesnt make it any stronger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,641 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,641 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    For Petes Sake seemed happy enough with that standard earlier in the thread...

    @For Petes Sake If you support women, you don't support Israel...

    @Quantum Erasure nor Palestine. Nor the US, nor Iran, nor Eritrea nor Ethiopia ....

    @For Petes Sake Glad you agree that Graham Linehan doesn't support women, then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,641 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Thanks for your detailed answer - I would have hit the thanks button but for your final sentence which is the sort of thing rightly condemned when it comes from the likes of Linehan.

    I don't have a problem with you or anyone else saying anything thing at all, if it's a genuinely held opinion that you can make an argument for. Despite, or perhaps because of being an engineer, I'm wary of certainty. If you'd said possibly, probably, or that you were willing to bet, I wouldn’t have questioned it, it was saying you could guarantee it, when you obviously can't without having information that I doubt you have, that prompted my query.

    Fair play to you for coaching - I'd have the interest but not the personality and I have the utmost respect for those who do.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    You're adding 1 + 1 and getting 1000.

    Israel is killing people they're not solely targeting women. If they were only killing 1000's of women then you could say what they're doing is anti women.

    It's really got nothing to do with what we're talking about here. It's a tangent to create a gotcha moment.

    It's transactivism 101. Find 1 thing you can argue, badly, and ignore 100's of other things that show otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    You seem remarkably OK with some murders yourself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Re your last paragraph: it seems to me that Sophia's conduct in stalking etc. is an order of magnitude worse than Linehan's creation of an obviously fake dating profile which was so roundly condemned by some on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Plenty of people on here would have had similar sentiments to linehan when it came to Ashley babbit being shot and killed by police. Its no indication of whether or not they support women in general. Its a bit ridiculous to claim that unless you support every single individual woman and her actions ever then you are not a supporter of women surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Incorrect.

    I am calling out someone who claims to care for women for their support of a nation responsible for relentlessly killing thousands of women.

    You telling me I'm wrong doesn't make it so. Graham Linehan does not give one single flying f*ck about women. He only cares about hating trans people. That is it.

    The fact you are dying on this hill is quite frankly bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I have a problem with a poster telling lies about me and how I want trans people to infiltrate women's sport.

    Anyone who wants to tell lies about what I believe can shove their opinions up their hole, because they are factually wrong and they are designed only to belittle my own opinions.

    If you think my post is problematic, but not the lies in the OP I was responding to, then that says more about you than it does about me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Sorry for the delay in replying. I was indisposed, which happily coincided with a brief visit to Marbella - the sunshine eased the heartbreak 😀.

    I couldn't access the article, but I think often the problem is we often confuse being nice with being kind. Other times we're kind to the wrong person - something needs to be said but we don't say it because we're unwilling to make ourselves uncomfortable. Then there's being kind on the wrong timeliness - not confronting a child's delusional and/ or harmful opinions is easier for the child now, at the expense of possibly life- long health problems.

    I am a great believer in kindness in general, as long as it's not merely performative. Imagine if the US president was a kind person?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Linehan's other views are a distraction. People turning this into a binary thread about whether you support Linehan unreservedly yes or no are IMO missing the point.

    The point is he was arrested at Heathrow because he pissed off some trans activists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I just said I don't have a problem- are you reading what you're replying to?

    I can't recall what you were replying to - but in general I share your disdain for those who tell lies or misrepresent posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Activists who literally target, stalk and hunt people down in an effort to destroy their livelihoods and lives. Its bizarre and concerning behaviour which apparently is supposed to just be accepted by their victims who arent allowed any retaliation at all, or they're evil bigots with a "genocidal hatred".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Can you provide evidence of Michael Biggs being a transphobe, and can you explain why his study is bullshit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I could link you something from Peter Gotzche indicating that seeing a psychiatrist is probably the last thing Linehan should do, but you'd likely dismiss it as drivel.

    Post edited by aero2k on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I was initially replying to someone who said I want trans women to invade women's spaces, including in sport.

    It was a gross misrepresentation, a complete lie and with zero foundation for the statement made.

    So yes, anyone who tries to tell me what I believe in - can shove their opinions up their hole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    This is yet another example of men being so much better than women that they are better women than actual women, hence much better at menstruation, including the cramps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Would it be more or less nasty than the conduct of Sophia as outlined by OscarMIlde?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    You can frame this argument whatever way you want, it doesn't make any sense.

    There were plenty of women killed in the Oct 7 attacks and plenty of women taken hostage too. For whatever that's worth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    This is probably the rudest post I have ever seen on boards. You posted earlier about JK Rowling talking down to you (you actually said "us" but I think that may have been the royal "us") - how is a one word response to a fellow poster, the one who started the thread, not talking down? It's strange, given the frequency of your demands for sources, links and evidence, that you didn't include anything of that sort. Did you think that one word response would be accepted as self evidently correct because it was coming from you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel


    You are over simplifying what I said. But essentially you have it correct. Algorithms will see posts you interacted with and say to themselves "People who liked PostX seem to have their attention grabbed by PostY so I am going to show this user PostY in their feed".

    It's a very simple algorithm and modern algorithms are MUCH more complex than that. But essentially this core idea is still central to them. It's simple, it's powerful and it's insidious.

    For example one of the test accounts I tried with I simply looked up and "liked" a few posts about Jui jitsu. Very nice ones too about a black man in the US getting black kids out of crime using Jui jitsu training. I was then recommended posts about kids doing juijitsu. I "liked" them and I was then shown kids doing it in the streets. Those "Bully gets owned" type things. So I liked them too. Very quickly I started to get videos of people being attacked in the street for content, to the level not far off murder porn. It descended really quite quickly.

    So if someone says they "liked" a few posts from Rowling on the Transgender issue and then started getting posts about extreme things some insane people do in the Transgender sphere - I would not be quick to doubt them. It fits quite strongly with how I know the algorithms work.

    Agreed to a point. But I also know that if people have their attention drawn to a twitter post - and many of us do because of how twitter posts are embedded in blogs and websites and forums - and then engage no further as you recommend….. then the result is the algorithm is fueled by the people who DO continue to engage.

    Which is why a small number of people can have a disproportionately large influence on what the algorithm recommends. If 90% of people are sane, moderate, centrist and nuanced and do not follow the rabbit holes then the 10% of nut jobs will fuel the vast majority of the algorithms choices.

    SO in a way the best thing we could do might be to run away from twitter but actually if the normal people flooded back and were selective in their interactions it would "cure" twitter too. So in the end the best thing for Twitter is all us sane people run away en masse - or go back en masse. Either would likely work.

    Likely if you do find yourself using any social media and you want to have a positive influence on it then as soon as you "like" any posts ensure you go one or two "good" posts further. The algorithm will then start to think "People who like PostA like PostB too" and start to recommend PostB to people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Re your last paragraph: you've made several sweeping generalisations as to what posters on this thread believe. You also said in another post that you don't want people lecturing you. Why don't you hold yourself to the same standards you would impose on others?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,096 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


     Some of his behaviour is a bit off though and I expect he will crash and burn spectacularly at some point.

    He’s torched his career and his marriage, and has had mental health issues which he himself attributes to his gender ideology battles.

    Is he not long past the crash and burn point?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,055 ✭✭✭plodder


    Glad you enjoyed the break 😉. I'll summarise it. It was about a book that landed on his desk to be reviewed - a novel written by a severely disabled writer and dictated by his mother. There were some glowing reviews of the book including one piece in the Guardian, but which contained a passage that should have raised suspicions that maybe it was the mother who was the real author, though the suspicions were never investigated. It fell to another journalist writing in the Atlantic to openly question its authorship.

    (Hugh) Linehan's point is that journalists have a duty to question and expose fraud even in cases where it "looks like" they are punching down on vulnerable and marginalised groups like disabled people.

    In case this sounds like a stereotypical left vs right issue, it actually isn't. The "communication method" that the mother and son used is called "Rapid Prompting Method" and it is championed by none other than Trump's health sec. RFK but is dismissed as pseudoscience by The American Speech-Language-Hearing Association.

    TLDR. The point is that if objective truth has any meaning at all, then uncomfortable questions must always be asked, even if it results in people being offended/hurt etc.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



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