General British politics discussion thread

@Tony EH - You said "You know, part of me thinks that maybe the UK needs to go through a period of really, really, bad political strife to finally learn something. I would have thought that over of decade of Tory misrule would have been enough, or that once the realities of Brexit kicked in that people would get it, or even looking across the pond to the omnishambles that the US is under Trump would serve to enlighten them."

And I just said similar to a very good friend of mine is the US:

"Yes indeed .. BUT like the US, UK has to go through this regardless of damage done, to eventually, maybe learn a lesson. Both US and UK still havent learned this lesson and a few other countries in Europe are the same. I am on about the citizens BTW.

But I am resigned to this now purely because I / we cant change that.Thats another thing. the electorate in US and UK esp those who vote this way are utterly selfish and dont give a fck about the rest of the world. Listened to some of them on LBC all morning, the ignorance is horrifying."

His reply was:

"The thing about U.S. and UK learning a lesson is that other countries will suffer. Countries who have done nothing to contribute to this sh*t."

"The thing about U.S. and UK learning a lesson is that other countries will suffer. Countries who have done nothing to contribute to this sh*t."

Agreed, and the old adage of "when America sneezes the rest of the world catches a cold" is one that is being played out right now on a daily basis.

Unfortunately other nations cannot really do anything to stop a retarded electorate from shooting itself in the foot. But what we can do, and should do, is try to distance ourselves as best we can from the policies that these nefarious governments enact. And that's possible to do in numerous cases, as has been shown by the majority of the world saying no to Trump and Netanyahu's war against Iran.

Ultimately, though, it won't mitigate the economic fallout of that ridiculous and unnecessary conflict.

"But what we can do, and should do, is try to distance ourselves as best we can from the policies that these nefarious governments enact"

Which is why I HOPE the UK dont go back in or get back into the EU. Unfortunately it would be very damaging to the rest of us because a good chunk of the UK electorate doesnt want this to happen, Brexit mindset is still alive and well.

To me, the UK are the same as the US now - we cannot trust them anymore. For example I hear people saying re US, shur all we need to do is wait for the mid terms or the next US election and all will be back to normal. NO WE WONT. Even if a "favourable" new US president/gov comes next for 4 years we cannot trust that in another 4 years after that, worse than trump will be voted back in. The trust was lost because they voted trump in - not once, but twice - thats a lesson learned.

Nothing learned is right.

The Tories have been wiped out thanks to Brexit so the people have turned to the even more Brexit party. How Farage doesn't get the blame for that just because he changed the name of his party is beyond stupid.

As the graph above shows many are dumb enough to not remember that Reform are UKIP.

BUT like i said above - They say FARAGE has this Charisma and thats why they voted for him this time. Farage definitely has no plan, strategy or long term vision other than too many imigrants and now going after people on social welfare and the disabled as the new demons so to speak ( due to imigration numbers down via labour I think? )

TBH, I don't think a lot of Reform voters have the first bloody clue what it is they want. But they know that they want "something". That is what the likes of chancers like Trump and Farage offer those people. They're willing to blow copious amounts of smoke of the arses of that portion of the electorate and say anything at all that will get them over the line.

Of course, once they're in…

The thing is, the likes of Trump and Farage actually have plans for what they'll do when they're in power, even if it is just to enrich themselves and their enablers.

I'd say people just don't see any real change from the Tories which is oddly wrong but understandable.

The Tories have never governed the Senedd so not sure why you are linking them with Labour doing badly in the Welsh elections

Reform will likely get a rake of Scottish topup seats unfortunately

Hilarious to see their 6 gaffed leader do so badly