General British politics discussion thread

Likewise, it needs to be called out when it is claimed against people who aren't antisemitic and, sadly, that isn't the case usually. The cry of "antisemitism" has had a dubious automatic acceptance since the end of the war, for obvious reasons. But it is today far too often used by bad actors as a way to silence others who call out their bad actions. We even have the situation whereby an entire state regularly employs fake claims of "antisemitism" to silence critics of their most appalling and egregious behaviour up to and including state sponsored murder, ethnic cleansing and genocidal warfare. Even on here you can see posters with a litany of dishonest contributions (across numerous accounts in some cases) regularly employ the slur with extreme insincerity.

And I've said this before, every single time it is used against people who aren't antisemitic it diminishes any kind of "value" that it may have against actual antisemites, who are sniggering up their sleeves.

No I don't and nowhere have I said that I do.

Also, none of the above is even close to a retort to the post you quoted.

If there are credible cases of antisemitism within any party, then they should be investigated. If there are credible cases of any kind of racist remarks or attitudes it requires investigation.

Your reply doesn't, in any way, negate the points I have made with regards to fake cries of "antisemitism" being used to silence people on both national and international levels.

I didn't mention the Greens in post #19565

By the sounds of things on LBC - Andrew Marr particularly, Starmer will be gone sooner than later and Farage will be the next PM whenever the next election happens ..

So which would you prefer:

• Leader with Charisma and not great policies
• OR dull boring but policies that are worth supporting somewhat vs just charisma

So are we at the point now where politics is a celeb thing and Charisma is the only thing that matters?? I would answer my own Q there with a YES. Reality show stuff now and the king of that is the Donald

because people are claiming that there is essentially a smear campaign against Polanski

It is not a claim, it is a fact

Agreed, and it has become weaponised on an enormous scale against anyone regardless of whether they're actually antisemitic or not. That's the point of post #19565.

The final thrust of the post is that such weaponisation also has the effect of letting real antisemites cloak themselves in a camouflage of sorts, because when you cry wolf too often most people will end up giving you the side eye when you cry it for real.

I'm alive long enough to see just how topsy-turvy everything has gotten with all of this. We're now in the truly bizarro world where people on the far right of the political scale (the side of the aisle that have always despised Jews) are now siding with a self proclaimed Jewish state and cos-playing as the best mates of the Jews, simply because they hold Muslims in a lower regard. We also have the crazy situation whereby people on the far right are regularly accusing others of being "antisemitic" because those others object to seeing that same state slaughtering innocents daily and who are insistent on expanding their boarders into other nations.

And before the usual suspects in here start building their strawmen, none of the above excuses people who are actually antisemitic, regardless of where on the political spectrum they align themselves to.