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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If that were true, you'd have linked it. You haven't because there simply isn't any. I was promised "buckets of evidence" by one other poster who had absolutely nothing.

    I'm dismissing Linehan's denial because of his past lies and bigotry. It's a reasonable thing to do.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭McFly85


    How do you stumble across something like that? Either you go looking for it or your SM algorithm is filled with negative trans posts that brought you there.

    And this is the problem with judging trans people only with information you see on your algorithmically presented feed. You’re going to see your biases show up and make it seem like they’re all lunatics. Even if this forum exists - what does that prove about anything? Like, have you ever met or interacted in real life with a trans person?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Like, have you ever met or interacted in real life with a trans person?

    The honest answer is no, but prepare yourself you may be hit with a wall of text about female ninjas breaking rapist arms and other such fables, purely designed to call trans people names.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Kind of like how some people pretend to be feminists but have no problem with JK Rowling getting death threats because they disagree with her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    He supported repeal the eight campaign at the time. He is also vocal in standing up for women's rights to same sexes spaces and to have gender critical views. That stands regardless of whatever other opinions he may have on other issues.

    Care to reply to my post were I detailed how Sandie Peggy, Jennifer Melle and the Darlington nurses faced professional sanctions and risked losing their jobs for believing that transwomen were men? You said people losing their jobs over gender critical views was a right wing invention.

    Just ignore or deny rather than face anything that conflicts with your views.

    Post edited by OscarMIlde on
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Ya this is reading like some LibsOfTikTok stuff… Particularly since most of the more liberal audiences abandoned Twitter a while back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've already acknowledged the repeal the eight campaign. It was also almost 10 years ago and since then Linehan has shown his true colours.

    You said you detailed that but given that you've repeatedly misrepresented my words, you'll understand that I won't be taking yours for anything.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    It was one tweet, probably popped up probably because I agreed with some posts about something to do with trans women in sports.

    again did I say all trans women are lunatics ? No I didn't, however I did point out correctly that if you referred to any of the lunatics as not being actual women that wasn't enough for the pro trans lobby according to them all trans women were the same and should all be accepted as women.This is the problem with the lieks of yourself, you treat any criticism of people within a group as criticism of the whole group.

    I was served in restuarants by 2 transgender women on my recent holiday, I somehow managed to not discrimate against them but of course the likes of yourself seem to think that becasue someone calls out bad behavior of certain sections of trans women that it would mean I despise them all which of course I don't I'm indifferent to them as a group except when they want to step on womens rights in order to indluge their own self perception.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I was served in restuarants by 2 transgender women on my recent holiday, I somehow managed to not discrimate against them

    Bragging on internet about not discriminating against people bringing you food.

    How fúcking low is that bar gone? 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    No,I'm simply pointing out that I treated them the same as anyone else unlike what the posters seem to assume about anyone who is critical of some aspects of the transgender rights movement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Meanwhile Graham Linehan sets up dating profiles to make lists of transgender users who he then goes onto ridicule online. That's pretty nasty by most metrics...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Do you think Linhan is a feminist then, after insulting a dead woman just because he didnt agree with her politics?

    I don't think Linehan of 10 years would be liking posts that show zero empathy for a woman being shot dead. Its funny that the only thing he apologised for from that post was regarding voting!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    That's a great add for not opening a Twitter account 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,390 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    That persons algorithm must be a fùckin septic tank if thats whats being launched across it. They would appear to have the odd fetishes IF that story is true and that is getting reccomended.

    MOD EDIT: warned, other posters are not the topic of discussion.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I found the boasting about not abusing two trans people incredibly odd to say the least.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Because other posters are allowed to make their own assumptions about my beliefs.

    I like how you have a problem with me saying that, whereas the post I replied to made up lies about my beliefs with zero foundation, and you don’t have a dickiebird to say to them. Why might that be?

    Not that it’s anybody’s business, but I’ve exclusively volunteered, managed and coached women/girls for over a decade. And I’m only in my mid-30s. I’ve coached girls who have gone on to reach elite level in their sport. I’m not saying I’m responsible for that, they’re the ones with the talent, but I’ve been lucky enough to help nurture talents who go onto compete at the highest level. Now my own daughter and my two nieces are into early ages sport, and I plan to come up with them again providing the club(s) want me to, meaning I’ll be at this for at least another decade. In fact I’ll probably continue until I can’t do it anymore. Why girls? Because you can’t get enough volunteers to coach boys. They don’t need another one. Girls don’t get half the interest outside of their own parents.

    I chose to do this because I’m fortunate to be childhood friends with someone who was an elite sportswoman. I heard her talk about how people (in particular men, but not solely) see women’s sport and how it is treated as a second class sport when for women and girls it is the top of the tree. She was coaching girls one day and asked me to come down. I never looked back. I never considered coaching until I got involved and saw the shocking level of resources put into girls’ sport compared to the boys. Is it any wonder there’s a perception about the quality of women’s/girls sport when the support they get is horrendous? I’ve spent thousands out of my own pocket to make sure the girls have what they need.

    Considering most of the posters who are arguing a toss with me here are your standard edgelords who say nothing about women’s sport except for when trans people are involved, I think it’s a fairly sure bet they haven’t done as much as me for women’s sport.

    But yet, according to the poster I replied to, I don’t give a sh*t about it. I happen to agree with the principle of trans women not playing women’s sport, especially if they’ve gone through male puberty. However what I will not accept is the sudden rise of people who suddenly care, but yet have never supported women’s sport. I hear it all the time in my own club whenever this topic comes up. It’s always from people who watch the men play and have never bothered their arse to come to watch the women.

    So next time anyone wants to question my beliefs, they can shove it up their hole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    I never said anything about Linehan being a feminist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Not really.

    You get stories popping about about weird transgender things if you just happen to like a few posts from JK Rowling, Sharron Davies.

    Thats the way Twitter operate you get weird stories which are guaranteed to get a reaction to be given precedence at times as it generates traffic for the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And equally you could be referring to complete nonsense that is being pushed by extremist accounts. Given the state of Twitter these days, the odds favor it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    But your treating them different to every other serving staff you have encountered, unless you make it a habit to brag on the internet about not abusing them too.

    Very strange.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So liking a JK Rowling post will direct you to people shoving ketchup up their arses?

    Sure. Jan.

    😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,962 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's also extremely unhinged behavior, indicative of someone who's truly lost the plot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Totally, although some posters here really don't seem to mind. It's something you'd expect to see from the extreme US personalities or somebody like Laurence Fox.

    I wonder if a lot of this was born out of a failing career, he really wasn't getting much work after 2016 and would have been very active prior to that. Then around 2018 he ended up going down that rabbit hole and getting progressively more extreme, it sort of looks like the increased spare time ended up with him immersed in pretty weird parts of the Internet and it gave him a new follower base. Reminds me a lot of the direction a lot of people went during COVID.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That makes a lot of sense. The IT Crowd was his last real success and it's quite obscure now.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel


    Well yes. That is generally how the algorithms do work as mad as it might sound to you.

    What modern algorithms tend to do is look at what post(s) YOU personally engaged with. It then looks at what captured the most attention of the users who ALSO engaged with the posts YOU engaged with. It will then use that knowledge to suggest posts to you. In other words it is strongly driven by what captured and kept the attention of other people who are NOT you but it thinks might be LIKE you - rather than what you might assume that it is driven by where YOU put your attention.

    So if for some weird reason everyone who likes Formula 1 racing also liked making Ice Cream "boats" using budweiser and you liked a Formula 1 post you would very likely start seeing posts telling you how to make those ice cream boats despite never having shown any interest in such yourself.

    But even worse if you "like" a post on a given topic and then show no more attention that topic - and most people who like that post also show no more attention - then the algorithm will be disproportionately weighted towards the minority who continue down the rabbit hole and show ongoing attention to that topic. This is one of the more insidious aspects of the "rabbit hole" and "radicalization" aspects of the attention algorithms. So you "like" a post on the periphery or "centrist" position of some issue and suddenly the algorithm can tend to present you with the extreme views of that topic.

    All in all it is definitely unsafe to make any assumptions about people based on what their algorithm is suggesting to them. I have had fun testing this myself in the past. Setting up entirely new "clean" accounts and clicking minor things with them and seeing how quickly I get dragged into the darkest extremes of any given topic. Some platforms are definitely worse for this than others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So if for some weird reason everyone who likes Formula 1 racing also liked making Ice Cream "boats" using budweiser and you liked a Formula 1 post you would very likely start seeing posts telling you how to make those ice cream boats despite never having shown any interest in such yourself.

    Huh?

    The OP said he liked a couple of posts by Rowling and ended up being directed towards anal ketchup videos.

    I have had fun testing this myself in the past. Setting up entirely new "clean" accounts and clicking minor things with them and seeing how quickly I get dragged into the darkest extremes of any given topic. Some platforms are definitely worse for this than others.

    Great, since you have experience, why don't sign up a "clean" account, thank a couple of posts of Rowling and let us know how long takes before you are watching someone to get the bottles of Heinz out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,962 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    If liking a post by Sharon Davies leads to a situation where you get recommendations for people shoving ketchup up their arses, then that only shows how far Twitter has fallen and why not having anything to do with that cesspit is the proper course of action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Pretty sure a degree of it's happened with all the platforms. Just Twitter turned up the dial when Musk took over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,091 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Apparently Graham Linehan's anti-trans posting meant the algorithm led him to tweets advocating that women shouldn't be allowed to vote and that certain women deserve to be shot dead for their politics

    I'd argue that squirting ketchup up your arse is far less mental than disenfranchising 50% of the population and celebrating the killing of women, yet here we are, this is how social media works and, if they spend long enough on it, drives people mad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,962 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Well, I'm the type that uses ad blockers and regularly nukes the cookies on my PC, so I don't really have an ongoing algorithm. Although I can only point to YouTube in that regard because I'm not on Twitter, Bluesky, Instagram or any other shite like that. But if I was getting directed to videos of people shoving ketchup where the sun doesn't shine, I'd seriously be considering abandoning "social" media altogether.



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