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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It looked like you were.

    So when wind is providing next to nothing for those extended periods in winter when our demand is highest and solar is doing nothing what are you going to power the grid with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    In the short term, batteries are to reduce curtailment and replace peaker plants, immediately reducing the cost of electricity.

    In the medium term, we can keep some gas turbines as strategic reserve for those rare times when there are genuinely dunkelflaute conditions over multiple days. The other 99% of the time they are left idle.

    In the long term, we'll have offshore wind plus storage plus more interconnectors plus strategic reserves of biomethane or ammonia or even if we had to use natural gas, it would be a tiny fraction of the emissions we currently emit.

    Even if Ireland had zero wind, we would still have some solar (about 25% of summer output), hydro and about half our demand can be met by interconnectors, so nobody anywhere suggests Ireland should run fully on batteries for days at a time

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    yet another community protesting conversion of agricultural land into industrial estates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Interesting reading. Shows that we dont have to be that desperate to bankrupt this and future generation chasing net zero dream…

    IPCC Admits Apocalyptic Climate Scenarios Are “Implausible” – Meaning Most Media Scare Stories Over Last 15 Years Are Officially Junk

    https://dailysceptic.org/2026/05/05/ipcc-admits-apocalyptic-climate-scenarios-are-implausible-meaning-most-media-scare-stories-over-last-15-years-are-officially-junk/

    https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/rcp85-is-officially-dead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    IMG_6882.jpeg

    China rang, wanted to thank Europe for bankrupting itself



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,157 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    So the very worst case scenario isn't happening? None of this changes the fact that fossil fuels need to go. Also he's citing RCP models worst case scenario being wrong meanwhile SSP models have been the standard since somewhere around 2019. So all this has illustrated is we've improved our approaches to understanding the long term impact and trajectory.

    So good job at yet again linking to some disinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Europe doesn’t manufacture much if any “green” equipment anymore with 90% or more coming from China now either in full or in parts

    so now “green” policy is to impoverish Europe while rewarding China which burns coal and uses slaves

    The car industry is now being dismantled too

    But hey I’m sure our new Chinese overlords would be kind to us while the Green watermelons lick their boots

    bad enough we ended up with most expensive electricity in Europe while remaining one of the most polluting, we are now handing over our democracies and jobs to China for same bullshit reasons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    say wha!

    yes, a significant amount of European goods are indeed manufactured in China, this has been the case for a couple of decades now, europe in turn has changed more so towards services to accommodate these changes, in turn creating many jobs and businesses in doing so, parts of europes economy have done extremely well from these changes, while some have done very badly, again, corporate leaders have played a significant part of these outcomes, by moving manufacturing towards cheaper China, and away from more expensive Europe, and largely the west, i.e. again, the problem is more so us!

    yes, traditional european, largely fossil fuel based car manufacturing is now feeling the pinch, and has been struggling to pivot towards ev's, for various reasons, but is now steadily getting itself together, unfortunately some wont survive, but some will flourish.

    ireland has ended up being the most expensive energy countries and polluting, largely due to long term government failures, again, nothing to do with the Chinese at all!

    democracy and jobs! what are you on about!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    literary a link to China now threatening Europe if we make anything here

    read it

    Now we have the Greens supporting authoritarian China that uses coal and slave and their deliberate policy and destruction of European jobs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Misinformation 🤣

    You guys used that term so much it actually lost meaning and all it point to is desperate try to shut down debate. All that article show is that models used were fed and calibrated with wrong data so we were drowned in doomsday scenario articles and prophecies. It was all just fearmongering and sometimes outright lies.

    By the way, fossil fuels are not going anywhere. They will be here for a very very long time.

    Hotdog.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    so again, no self acceptance for our own situation, our own creation? thats interesting! again, its not always the other that has caused our own situation, sometimes, it was us!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Quite a few. Some mentioned here and yes, their bankruptcy affected banking industry too:

    Key companies and industries that have filed for bankruptcy or reported severe distress include:1. Renewable Energy & Green-Tech Sector [1]Despite the push for renewables, many European manufacturers have struggled against cheaper imports and high financing costs. [1]

    • [Northvolt] (Sweden): The Swedish battery giant, considered a "great hope" of European green tech, has faced extreme financial distress, with significant failures in production targets as of early 2026.
    • [eno energy] (Germany): German wind turbine manufacturer filed for bankruptcy in October 2025.
    • [Eigensonne] (Germany): Berlin-based solar company filed for bankruptcy in late 2023.
    • [SunPower] (US/EU operations): Though not exclusively European, this major solar firm went bankrupt in August 2024, impacting the broader market, driven by stiff competition and high interest rates. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

    2. Energy-Intensive IndustriesHigh electricity prices—partly driven by decoupling from Russian gas—have pressured traditional manufacturing. [1, 2]

    • [Thyssenkrupp] (Germany): A major steelmaker that has reported severe competitiveness issues, leading to production cutbacks.
    • [Cognor] (Poland): Polish steelmaker management noted the Green Deal has "completely destroyed European industry," highlighting the impossibility of competing with energy costs six times higher than in the US.
    • [Solar Manufacturers] (Broadly): European solar manufacturers faced a widespread "wipeout" due to plummeting prices and competition from imports, according to reports in early 2024. [1, 2, 3, 4]

    Contributing Factors to Bankruptcy

    • High Energy Costs: The rapid shift away from traditional, cheaper energy sources resulted in high operating costs.
    • Competition & Oversupply: European firms struggled against lower-cost, high-volume manufacturers (particularly from China).
    • Regulatory Burdens: The increased reporting requirements (such as the Corporate Sustainability Reporting Directive - CSRD) and the cost of carbon emissions have squeezed margins.
    • Subsidies Removal: Governments across Europe have slashed subsidies for certain renewable sectors as austerity budgets are implemented. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

    While the Green Deal aims to promote long-term sustainability, many reports indicate it has, in the short term, resulted in deindustrialization and high-profile bankruptcies in both green energy and traditional industries. [1, 2, 3]

    *Google AI



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    What’s with the self hate and self flagellation?

    And you are partly right we have done this to ourselves, we lost a lead and now whole industries to China simply because they don’t give two **** about the climate and environment and their own population

    and instead of learning from mistakes the Greens want to completely sell us out to an even worse set of authoritarian a hole regimes, under whose boot we have no say about anything in our lives just like the current billion or so Chinese serfs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    AI made it so easy to refute any green garbage you try to present as argument or facts. It seems you really do not have a clue. EU is absolutely dependant on Chinese imports which are so cheap there precisely because of the way they do not care about environment. Auto industry would be perfect example. Unless someone come with better alternative than lithium ion batteries EV's are on the same level as combustion engine vehicles if not actually worse for the environment.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    The State should convert Moneypoint power station to burn coal and drop the ban on offshore fossil fuel exploration, experts argue in a report on energy security.War in the Middle East has exposed risks to energy supplies in the Republic, which relies heavily on imported oil and gas, according to the Irish Academy of Engineering. The academy has called on the State to reconvert Moneypoint power station in Co Clare to burn coal as a last resort to bolster energy security, in two reports published on Friday.Moneypoint previously burned coal and ceased full operations last year, but was converted burn heavy fuel oil so it could be called on to generate electricity in case of a serious threat to supplies.”


    “The US-Israeli war with Iran has since squeezed heavy fuel oil supplies globally, the academy’s report points out, while Moneypoint can only store up to 10 days worth of the fuel if it runs on full capacity.Consequently the academy has argued in two reports, Energy Security and the future of Moneypoint Power Station, and Worst Ever Energy Crisis?, that the plant should be switched back to burn coal, or have its capacity to store fuel oil increased.Plans to close Moneypoint finally in 2029 should be postponed to 2036, the academy said.”


    only 10 days of 900 or so MW as backup! But hey why listen to engineers eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,157 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Since you're so confident in AI, you should ask it if man made climate change is really happening.... Guess what it's not gonna agree with you. 😂 The experts don't agree with you either to be fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    2025 we used 16.6 TWh of gas to provide 40% of our electricity. Without importing electricity it would have been 14.6% higher usage.

    OCGT`s used somewhere between 5% -10%. The rest was burned in CCGT`s. Getting rid of OCGT`s would not reduce the cost of electricity by a red cent and neither would reducing the gas burned by CCGT`s by 90%, because we would still be paying all those generating at the price of gas under marginal pricing.

    Medium term we won`t need gas other than when there are dunkelflaute conditions!

    Have you lost all sense of reason. Last year gas provided 40% of our electricity. Where in this "medium term" are you going to get the generation to replace that 40% ?

    And just no, we did not get 25% of our electricity from solar last summer. The average from May, June, July and August was 5.4%. For winter when our demand is greatest, hamsters running on a threadmill would generate more.

    Ammonia is even crazier than hydrogen. For ammonia electrolysis is used to produce hydrogen, but then the Haber-Bosch process is require to turn that hydrogen into ammonia that ammonia is then burned in a turbine to generate electricity. You end up with 35% of the original electricity. Like hydrogen the electricity used to create ammonia would double the strike price for the consumer. Using hydrogen to generate electricity would treble the strike price so with the extra Haber-Bosch process the strike price for ammonia would be even higher. Also having to be paid for by the consumer.

    In the real world money talks. Ideological scatterbrained uncosted and unfeasible bulls^^t is told to take a hike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Switzerland puts solar panels in between their railway tracks. You could put them over motorway medians and over car parks. China puts them over reservoirs. There are plenty of places that solar panels can be put rather than on agricultural farmland where if they were damaged say by a storm, heavy metals could leach into the soil, and that land could never be farmed again without spending vast sums of money to clear it of that pollution.

    In the US, Frito Lay the crisp company, make it a regulation that any supplier of potatoes to them has to never put solar panels on their farmland.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭323


    But were never going to have your long term offshore wind, Thats why The Government of Ireland have downgraded their fantasy 37GW of offshore Wind to a more realistic 5GW, which will be in the Irish Sea, maybe, they've been selling those projects for over 20 years. Not a single one has received approval for construction.

    Sure ESB tried to do preliminary survey for one of their proposed Floating Wind prospects two years ago, ~20 days to do they thought. Canned it after over 75 days, less than 50% done. Round one to the North Atlantic, never heard if they tried round 2.

    Maybe why nuclear back on the table?

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    This was discussed on Pat Kenny

    Yet another green policy which can leave the country literally in the dark



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,667 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    China is burning approximately 13 million tonnes of coal daily, here in Ireland we burn around 2 million tonnes in a year, it's a pity we have to share the same atmosphere as China



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    outside of few home coal fires it’s probably much less now that moneypoint closed down, the previous post has link to discussion on Pat Kenny by Irish engineering society of the stupidity of not keeping moneypoint as backup and having zero backup for gas (thanks Eamonn Ryan) which itself is backup for unreliable renewables

    He also mentioned the stupidity of Germany shutting down nuclear only to reopen coal plants then

    But hey we have to appear be “the good boys” of the class (tho in reality Ireland is regularly in top 5 most polluting while having most expensive electricity)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    no “windfall” (lol) tax on producers who led us to have highest electricity prices in Europe before the war started and only going higher again in 2026

    fleece consumers and have the government defend your fleecing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,791 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You mean the windfall taxes weren't implemented at the time that they were being made? That was quite a bit of wool put over the eyes of the public wasn't it?

    Mind you, with the NAS strike today, it's a good day to burry this kind of news



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    I absolutely despise Doherty and SF but in this case I have to admit he has made good points, government can’t blame highest electricity prices in Europe and world on the war when the prices rises occurred in 2025 due to “green”’policies, which was before the war in Iran



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Another day, another BS post twisting the truth to fit the reality you live in.

    If you want to try and convince anyone of your argument, and there is some truth in the mostly manure that you post, then try and be a bit more objective.

    The 'bumper' profits from 2025 is largely nonsense. The two companies mentioned in the article made similar profits in 2024. Bord Gais actually made less in 2025 than 2024. The stats can be twisted to go back 2023 and claim a 35X increase in profits but that was due to making virtual no profit in 2023.

    While the Iran war didn't impact gas prices in 2025 the Ukraine war has impacted them since 2022, which you well know. Increase in gas prices is the main driver in the increase in the price of electricity. You won't hear Sinn Fein saying that as it doesn't suit their agenda - the same reason you also ignore it.

    Your solution? Build a time machine and go back to the 1970s and build a bunch of nuclear reactors like the French did? Even we had agreement in Ireland to build a plant it would likely not be operational for 20-25 years if ever(we struggle to build hospitals and schools let alone nuclear plants).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    You said you supported Doherty's comment which was about taxing profits.

    Part of way of why people pay high prices is they don't switch. It's a crap model but people just don't do it. My day rate is 24c and 13c by night. That will jump when I renew.

    If you paid an average of 40c in 2025 then your are either don't care or an idiot.

    Many countries don't have the same model so the base price is cheaper.

    Having said that our generation price did spike in early 2025 - partly due to closer of a Russian pipeline to Europe. Another part was below average wind generation(don't get too giddy) and a cold spell in Europe.

    Again multiple causes. Not just 'green energy bad'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Ah yes Irish people are lazy and stupid and we should buy more Russian murderers gas to backup all them renewables that don’t work most of the time, I got that right?
    /s



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