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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Expunge


    From that piece in the Oirish Toimes. Usual crap …. what's yer favourite this that the other. And these questions and answers…………

    Can you look back on what happened in RTÉ with acceptance for where things landed?

    What happened, happened, and people say “for a reason”. I don’t know about that. Would I have chosen for it to happen? No, but am I happy with the outcome? Yes, because I was coasting, and I was drifting a bit. That’s why I left The Late Late Show. I wasn’t getting the satisfaction from it, and I was tired. It was time to do something different. If what happened subsequent to that hadn’t happened, I’m not so sure I would have set up my podcast or gone to London, which I had always been promising myself I would do. I would have clung to the wreckage and hoped that something else would come along. The only reason I left was because I knew it was time to go, and it was a pity that the rest followed. People say that what happened was the reason I left, and it wasn’t. I was tired and was going to do a disservice to everyone, including myself, so I’m OK and can sleep well at night knowing the truth.

    Have you received the information from RTÉ in the data access request you submitted?

    I’ve heard nothing. I can’t stand outside the door knocking until they answer, I have to leave it until they’re ready.

    What’s the best piece of advice you’ve been given?

    Surround yourself with people who are smarter than you.

    Do you have any regrets?

    Loads. I think I could have done a few things differently along the way, and I think, with age and certain maturity, you reflect and think, “That wasn’t great.” I think it’s healthy to acknowledge that you have them, and unhealthy to walk around with two pieces of coal in your hands. At the same time, there isn’t a lot you can do about some of them, so you have to get on with it and live as best a life as you can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    Or A Mature Recollection as the Fianna Fáil Presidential Candidate said facing into the TV Camera all those years ago. Mary Robinson won the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Expunge


    Now … Mister Pete Dragon……. This quote is for you!

    "The only reason I left was because I knew it was time to go, and it was a pity that the rest followed. People say that what happened was the reason I left, and it wasn’t."

    See how wrong you are? Just because the "unpleasantness" surfaced a mere nine days ater his leaving the LLS announcement. No sir! Nothing to do wir it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    I love the ‘woe is me’ angle he keeps bringing up. ‘No one is answering the door to me. Wah!’. No one is crying for you Ryan.
    Wouldn’t even bother reading that article behind the paywall. Same old guff. RTÉ is where the money and prestige is and he knows it. Suppose NK has to keep getting these articles in the Indo to keep justifying his fee.
    As for Ryan’s podcast, I know a local radio guy with his own podcast on the side too and he gets 25,000 downloads a week. Thats the field Ryan is playing in now!

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    It’s obvious #TeamTubs are trying to get their retaliation in first so to speak with Ross’ book launch this week sure to drag the Ryan Tubridy Pay Scandal up again and lots of coverage in this weekend’s papers. Noel and The Toyman will be keen to offset these with stories of how totes amazeballs things are presently.

    I’d expect some absolutely delicious puff pieces this weekend from The Toyman’s camp, even more so than the beautiful and gorgeous London Diary. The name-dropping world record could be in danger of toppling again I feel.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Point of correction your honour in the chronology there…

    The Toyman “resigned” from hosting TLLS 9 days after the payments were discovered internally in an internal audit. It would be a number of months before the story broke publicly so to speak. But it’s just a coincidence !

    My final thought for this evening concerns the following:

    What’s the best piece of advice you’ve been given?

    Surround yourself with people who are smarter than you.


    To be fair to him, he manages that with great regularity and consistency judging by the standard of his command of the written word in his delicious London Diary column.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,735 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    I hope Ted Turners passing doesn’t send Dee over the edge.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/dee-forbes-cork-woman-with-impressive-track-record-takes-the-top-job-in-irish-media-1.2595294


    I’d imagine she dropped his sizeable name a few times during formal interviews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    All the time, went to an interview in Dublin she was interviewed by Mark Little, really bad interview where she said nothing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9gHFauMY4

    So we now have the Book published, though 2 chapters so far.

    Well Shane Ross is ultimately blaming the Dual funding set out at the beginning, Advertising and Public Funding.

    It's so far a history of Tubs and of RTÉ, all of which I either knew or had assumed.

    His interview with Lelia Doolan was disappointing, but there is an idea that the problem is commercial more than anything else. He sits in the past, perhaps the formation of the RTÉ boards in the 70, 80 and 90s might tell us more, but will he even get to that.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    No nothing really new in the book so far.

    Really just rehashing a lot stuff I already knew. The best compliment so far that I can give it is that if you are unaware of the foundation of RTÉ it might interest you, the chapter on Gay Byrne the only insight is his loyalty to Fianna Fail, but that might not be news to someone else and isn't all that interest for anyone who didn't know, rest is already known information about TLLS and Gay Bryne as presenter/host, I suppose when a Fine Gael man robs your life saving your probably going to be FF!

    Tubs chapter is about his rise and his connections and his connections to FF.

    So far I feel that if anyone has a connection to FF Ross would write a book about them!

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Going by that review I won't be rushing out to buy it, not even after it's remaindered.

    I grew up with RTE radio in the '50s and later with RTE TV from the 60s on with TLLS part of Sunday lunch conversation so the last thing I need is some whipper snapper like Ross telling me the story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    There is one part in fairness but very short where he talks to a couple who are now in their 90s, the husband was there on night of the opening as a vision mixer. I think his wife arrive later in the 60s, but that would have been a far more interesting point of view, perhaps he will go back to them.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ Saints, Scholars and Scandals

    Is really just a who's who of politics from the 1960s, I am now up to chapter 6.

    1. Ryan Tubridy: To the montrose born
    2. Politicans v "Parlour Pinks"
    3. The Angle Gabriel or the Devil's Disciple?
    4. The Minister V The Authority (Section 31)
    5. Musical Chairs at the top table (covers 1970s to 1990s) but we are half way through the book
    6. The Tragic Death of Gerry Ryan
    7. The Lady Vanishes: the rise and fall of D4rbes
    8. Tubs and Kelly face the music
    9. Scapegoats Exit as Directors cheat the Gallows

    Really Ross and other academics are saying if only RTÉ had been purely funded by the public then D4rbes wouldn't have happened…. I some how doubt that.

    But those on TeamTubs can be safe in the knowledge that its not about him, I wonder why Marian Finnucan is even on the front cover, she's so far barely been mentioned.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    I’m in sunnier parts of the world for the last week and next so it will be some time yet before I can get my hands on a copy, but I suspect (as you say yourself) there’s precious little if any new material in this for anyone with an interest in broadcasting and media.

    I’d also agree on your point re. had it been solely funded from the public purse - it’s not like other semi-states have been immune to corruption and dodgy practices.

    Speaking of Dee Forbes, I have a friend who is originally from Cork but works in Dublin who says he’s almost sure he passed her in the passenger seat of a car in Schull last weekend. A rare sighting indeed if true.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    On this:

    Tubs chapter is about his rise and his connections and his connections to FF.


    This must be fiction then because his rise was based on talent, his natural ability to interview people, his warmth and charisma, and his ability to not need cue cards. Oh dear, I appear to have given my sarcasm away with my last point. Silly me!

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,951 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    As for Ryan’s podcast, I know a local radio guy with his own podcast on the side too and he gets 25,000 downloads a week. Thats the field Ryan is playing in now!

    Maybe Radio Norwich could give him a late night slot?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


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    Jaysis, maybe the team over at NKM could spend less time writing creative puff pieces and press releases and update the auld website so to speak. Considering he wasn’t fired from the Virgin role and left entirely of his own volition before Christmas and that he and Noel would have known of his departure from that senior hurling role for at least a month before that it’s now essentially 6 months out of date.

    It’s just very lazy, like the time they air-brushed Lottie “Loddie” Ryan out of the group shot when she left after the Ryan Tubridy Pay Scandal broke.

    True to form though, The Toyman’s profile includes some delicious name-dropping. It must be a tactic to drop in as many names as possible to appear to the reader as if he is their company, or to try and conflate his “stardom” with theirs. Intriguing either way.

    I didn’t bother looking at any of the other talented stars’ profiles, I assume they’re as badly out of date as that of The Toyman.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Rory Coveney - while he was just following the strategy, he was their director of strategy and he wasn't all that forthcoming to the board about its lack of success, he may not have been involved in Tubridy affair, but he was central to numerous mistakes in relation to Toy Show the Musical. He agreed with the convention centre a deal where RTÉ would incur fees should the show not take place. He would have worked with both Moya and D4bres in relation to this.

    Geraldine O'Leary - while yes you can argue as she was the Commercial Director she would have to "wine and dine", it was she who used the barter accounts and knew about them. In fairness to her she did take questions and she did attend. But She absolutely had responsibility to bring any extravagant commercial revenue raising marketing (such as sending people to events such as the Rugby WC in Japan), she did not do this, she was extravagant, did she really bring in more money that any of her predecessors, she was over seeing the biggest seller of advertising in the country, how could she not raise revenue, did she alone get 20 or 30% extra that the content would of received? How could she fail?

    Do we honestly think that the sale of ads during the WC will be down to the commercial team at RTÉ, or RTÉ's partnership with the EBU for rights?

    Richard Collins - I agree he was scapegoated, I hope he left because he was unwilling to stay and would have sued RTÉ for constructive dismissal, and in fairness I think he'd be right, he was badly treated, after it was he how discover most of what was going on and reported on it. (I am surprised with a name like Collins his family political allegiance wasn't brought up in this book).

    As for the board he is right, the board should have resigned. Yes some of them left early (JP McManus, his excuse was that he was too busy to stay on board, he was due to leave just 9 months later), some of them didn't look for a second term Ian Kehoe (who was the star pupil as deputy chair, and I read in one article a potential replacement for D4bres, at least before the scandal).

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The book does not cover Jim Jennings. I think Ross has the date of the minor operation he had incorrect.

    The question remain about Jimbo, did he receive 2 years of salary when he was not there, on top of the exit fee he got through the WRC?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    The board should have resigned and the executive team should have either resigned or been sacked if they refused to resign, Backhurst’s “new” executive team should not have had any holdovers and should have been an entirely new team. That it wasn’t speaks volumes. How some of them kept their jobs is something I feel could only have occurred in an organisation as “bonkers” as RTÉ.

    O’Leary always had a very high opinion of herself, but it would be harder to not make money in that role than to succeed. She acted like she alone and only she could have driven revenue in that role, which is laughable. The junkets and freebies were absolutely outrageous, and the +1 policy only added to it. And that’s before you consider it’s at least partly public money.

    Collins appeared (from his public performances at least) shall we say a little out of his depth in such a role. I’m not sure grounds for a constructive dismissal claim would have been met but while he does deserve some credit for his part in raising the issue (once it had been discovered by a 3rd party) the fact it happened under his nose and had been going on for a number of years is damning.

    Coveney was another who appeared out of his depth in the Oireachtas hearings and in interviews on the TSTM fiasco. I’m imagine his surname didn’t hurt him in applying for the job, but it didn’t save him. The Convention Centre deal was another “bonkers” move, again even more so when one considers its public money.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Oh and if you are wondering how D4bres according to Shane she's still under the weather according to her legal team.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭jippo nolan


    I wonder has she done the walk of shame to the social welfare doctors in Aras Mc Diarmuda in Pearse street yet to continue her illness benefits?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Imagine if she'd been sensible when she was DG.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    That's corporate.

    She's being sensible by protecting herself in not appearing before Oireachtas committees like Tubridy and NK did. From a personal perspective remaining relatively unknown is sensible.



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