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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    It increased our reliance on imported via pipeline gas for the majority of time wind and solar are doing next to nothing

    Which was entirely predictable and predicted by Irish engineering bodies

    What to do instead?

    • short term: stop throwing good money after bad and tell companies selling us wind lies to either deliver cheap green electricity or face extinction, also look into the all island auction system
    • medium term: build LNG terminal to not be fully reliant on pipeline gas and avail of cheaper prices instead of being the last buyer at end of a long pipeline, try to squeeze every cubic meter out Corrib etc
    • long term: nuclear

    Or continue on the path where we spend a further 200bn + and still burn fossil fuels past 2050 unlike France who are set to completely phase them out by then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭Consonata


    If we had built no renewables, what would our gas consumption be at this point. More? Or Less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Less

    especially as Moneypoint etc would not have been shut down

    We be producing slightly more co2 but we are already producing 20-30x more than nuclear European countries, what’s a few more grams to add insult to injury

    Right now at time of this post we are third most polluting in Europe while our 9GW of renewables is generating next to nothing (again)

    Also let’s not forget that 15% of our current country’s gas usage goes to a Russian money laundering operation

    https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2026/03/24/from-the-shannon-to-siberia-how-alumina-from-a-limerick-refinery-enters-russias-weapons-supply-chain/

    which is yet another bizzare green policy failure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭creedp


    Is this guy simply pedalling anti renewable FUD or a reasonably balanced view of the impact of additional renewables on Irelands electricity supply?


    Cassidy that Ireland can’t import a huge amount of cheaper electricity from abroad due to its isolation.

    “We have only two interconnectors with the UK at present. Although the new interconnector we’re building with France will hopefully improve things when it comes online in 2028 as it will allow us to tap into cheaper French electricity,” he said. 

    However, he said he does not foresee much changing in the short-to-medium term. 

    “While more renewables should help bring prices down a bit, we need to be more honest about their true costs and the actual potential savings.

    “Renewables require a lot of investment in the grid, as well as huge amounts of battery storage, the cost of which ends up getting passed on to consumers. And the highly variable and intermittent nature of wind and solar means they push up other electricity system costs.”

    https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-highest-electricity-prices-european-union-7031945-May2026/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    That inter-connector to France was meant to come online this year, now it’s been delayed two more years and current cost is up to 1.62bn for something that just moves electricity (at a loss because physics) not generate any

    It could have supplied about 10% our peak needs by us paying French for their clean green cheap nuclear

    What’s more worrying is our single gas pipeline to UK which could break or be sabotaged or blockaded by Trumps friend Farage once he is in power and no LNG facilities to bypass this dependency

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0412/1507233-ireland-energy-supply/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Why do you say our single gas pipeline, are there not 3 across the Irish Sea?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Do we need a new electricity market? Yes we do. The wind and solar operators claim they are cheaper, that's not how the prices are set, Irish consumers get no benefit. The incentives for all the participants are to keep the supply on edge to keep the prices high. Split wind, solar and hydro off into a low cost pool when bidding and scale back the subsidies.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭Consonata


    You're not seriously trying to claim that Coal is only a few grams more carbon than gas? Following your policy we wouldn't have been the third most polluting, we would have been the most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    could be the cleanest if anti technology and science Luddites stop arguing against doing what normal European countries like France and Finland do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Shocking stuff altogether

    ”The figures show Irish electricity prices jumped by 32.7% between July and December 2025, when compared with the same period in 2024.”


    can’t blame that one on the war



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭Consonata


    So your solution is to continue to burn coal for 25 years whilst we wait for Nuclear?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    wut? The coal/turf/oil plants are gone now, it’s gas now and imported tropical rainforest wood! (Which apparently is “green”)

    In 25 years we will still be burning gas as current path will leave us with no choice

    Which is precisely why up and down the country gas peaker plants are being built with expectation they will continue to burn gas until the end of the century

    But stop pretending that wind and solar will lead to a net zero future in this country, it hasn’t anywhere in world and it won’t here, while our bills continue to climb

    Post edited by bored65 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Net importer doesn't mean we didn't export wind.
    The wind exports offset about half of the imports.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    This is an EU energy market rule called marginal pricing policy that we can't do much about, but we don't need the EU to change the policy, we just need to install grid scale batteries to replace peaker plants so that we do not need to rely on gas for that 1% anymore.

    Building 8 GWh of grid scale batteries would be enough to run Ireland without any need for gas for most off peak periods, and if we had 20gwh of grid scale batteries, we can also run at peak times with no need for gas or oil generation unless the conditions are very unfavourable for renewables.
    If we meet our targets, we'll have about 12gwh of battery installed by 2030
    We should be aiming to exceed these targets, and increase the number of turbines and solar panels over the next few years so that we are less and less reliant on gas the despots around the world that control the worlds supplies

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    We also exported gas. 25% of every MW exported is from thermal plant. It's rare that our gas is more cost effective than GB/Europe.

    Some of our exports are due to system security (valley floor issues) where SO-SO trades are required and most of those are thermal generation exports, regardless of the cost.

    So now, what models do you have to suggest that Celtic will ever export? Because I'm not seeing it at any point before 2030.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Please stop making crap up off the top of your head. The data is not difficult to find.

    According to SEAI and the CSO.

    Imports.

    2023 : 3.27 TWh

    2024 : 5.1 TWh

    2025 : 6.1 TWh

    Exports.

    2023 : 0.4 TWh

    2024 : 0.3 TWh

    2025 : TBD Estimated as low.

    Not within a asses roar of exports offsetting about half of imports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Again not difficult to find if you look.

    ESB has 600 MWh of battery storage that cost €300 million.

    Our average hourly demand is 3.6 GW, so that 600MW would power the grid for ~10 minutes. For an hour it would require an investment of 60 minutes divided by 10 multiplied by €300 million = €1.8 billion. For the average day €1.8 x 24 = €43.2 billion. After day 1 your €43.2 billion worth of batteries is drained and no way to recharge them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,791 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'm not sure it is an EU rule. If it was then all EU countries would be around the same price as we all use gas to generate electricity

    Even if it was an EU rule that doesn't negate the need for it to be changed. Whether our elected representatives in Dublin or Brussels abolish it doesn't change the fact that it has to go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its part of the EU common energy market rules.

    Ireland pays more for gas because we're peripheral and we are more subject to mup because we don't have enough connection to the eu grid to be able to use cheaper electricity instead of expensive gas peaker plants.

    We also have higher standing charges because of one off housing and low density urban sprawl

    And we need to use gas more because we cannot import enough electricity to meet peak demand or to balance the grid

    We need more grid scale batteries. They will immediately reduce curtailment while reducing the need for gas and reducing the marginal unit price conundrum

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    we wouldn’t have to be “peripheral” by building an LNG terminal

    But guess who opposes that? Yourself earlier in thread along with the Greens

    Meantime thanks to watermelons and Luddites



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,791 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    But there is no common energy market, if there was then prices would be the same, or at least similar, across the EU

    What we need is to look at the situation in France where the grid was never privatised, EDF are wholly government owned and provide cheaper electricity to the grid which then gets passed on to the end users. France have a small amount of gas and other fossil fuel generators but crucially EDF sell their kWh's for less than the price of the more expensive fuels, they do not need to sell their kWh's for the same price as the gas wholesalers do, unlike here.

    What you effectively have here is private billing companies who all buy the electricity at the exact same wholesale prices and earn massive profits, on the back of the EUs highest prices which is a completely bizarre way to run a crucial national grid!

    Post edited by Red Silurian on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,791 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Even if LNG is cheaper, we will still wind up paying the same price due to our ridiculous policy of paying the highest price… The best thing for our country is to have just one source of electricity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭323


    If only it was a case of the abundance of the resource!

    EIRE_Bathymetry to 60m.png

    Here's the bathymetry around our coastline to 60m, From INFOMAR. A bit deeper than deepest ground based OWF to date. Not a lot of space to play with.

    East coast, OK but unfortunately the engineering reality of the South, West, and North coasts is "very" different from the relatively "benign" environment of the South & Western North Sea or Taiwan. With a realistic maximum working/installation season of maybe two months, tops.

    Going deeper. Contrary to some academics (seems our civil servants too), Floating offshore Wind is not a mature technology, still in its infancy, success to date has not been great. In nothing like the weather/sea states we have.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭323


    Your spot on, But it's actually worse. No OFW has been licenced/approved for construction.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The proposals are to start with the low hanging fruit and build in the Irish sea, While Floating offshore isn't as mature as fixed offshore, thats true of all technology until the investment is made and then it becomes mature.

    Technologically, it works, we know it can be done, we know how to do it. Commercially, it needs to be ramped up so we can manage it as a new industry.

    That takes foresight and planning and investment. Expecting it to be cheap on day 1 is not realistic. If you consider the trillions of euros worth of subsidies the Oil and Gas industry has gotten over the past 100 years….

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We would still be peripheral and we would still be subject to MUP so would be paying the cost of the highest input whether thats piped gas, or LNG gas

    LNG is more expensive than piped gas, all a LNG terminal would do is make our electricity even more expensive

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Floating offshore is currently double the cost of even the most expensive nuclear like Hinkley C

    And only lasts at best 20 years vs 60 (so 3x that cost again!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Not one person has ever suggested that we run the entire grid on batteries

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Absolute nonsense.

    I have already shown your that for just one day at our present average daily demand grid scale batteries would cost €43.2 Bn and be drained after 24 hours with no means of recharging them. Day 2 and every day after when renewables are generating next to nothing you are sitting in the dark.

    We are importing electricity to keep our emission down due to renewables failing so miserably they will not even reach 23% of the 51% reduction by 2030 we signed up to, where we will be paying fines from 2030 on-wards because of that failure.

    Even disregarding the lose of our energy security, who are you going to import this electricity from and what will the generation source be, because it`s not going to be from renewables. The top 6 net exporting countries in the E.U. are, France, Slovakia, Czechia, Bulgaria, Sweden and Spain. All being able to do so because they generate using nuclear in their mix

    We have high standing charges because our grid needs upgrading to carry renewable from far flung location all over the country to where the generation is needed using a grid that was not designed in the first place to do that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    So you keep burning gas in perpetuity emitting co2 while Chernobyl like wasteland countries like France (which receive the most tourists per year) are set to completely phase out all fossil fuels by 2050

    There are weeks of little to no solar or wind production, you would need hundreds of billions in storage



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