Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

Why do some here seem to think I am talking about hitting civilians ?

Who cares what Russians think about how Ukraine might look ? A military parade is a valid target if you are at war, just like hitting training grounds, parade grounds,… is justified.

That's when the IRA lost the moral high ground here. Just attack oil infrastructure and transport hubs. Killing women and children is bad for business.

https://kyivindependent.com/russia-carries-out-deadly-evening-strikes-on-kramatorsk-zaporizhzhia-in-ukraines-east/

Nobody suggests anyone cares what the Russians think. But Zelensky has been on a world tour of diplomacy for the past year and it's really starting to pay dividends now. Optics matter in that realm. I can't see how you hit a parade without civilian casualties. The benefits would be outweighed by the negatives IMO. Not to say I wouldn't love to see Ukraine pull something off that causes massive embarrassment to Putin, but I just think that in the real world there's a grinding war being waged and Ukraine has achieved its greatest successes by striking infrastructure that Putin can't defend. Why waste time and resources on trying to pull off a stunt that may not work (concentrated air defences and large scale security lockdown) and even if it did work would incur foreseeable civilian casualties and play into the hands of Putin, TACO and the rest of the right wing, totalitarian world.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Ukraine hasn't put a foot wrong in the last couple of years so I'm sure that have a strategy ready to go.

This is the route I'd go down aswell. There's plenty of ways that Ukraine could effectively show/say:

You are not safe. We could bomb your parade out of existence if we chose to. Putin is a weak little man and cannot protect you, even in the very heart of Moscow.

There's no reason this couldn't be done cheaply and without civilian casualties. But I guess Ukraine will make that evaluation themselves.

Do people really think it would be that easy to get drones in the sky over Moscow on May 9th? And if so, why are there not drones in the sky targeting non-civilian infrastructure in Moscow the rest of the time, when the defences were/ are much reduced? It's not that I wouldn't love to see it, its just that it makes no sense to me.

go on the lads

Yeah they should do something around the parade.

Making Putin lose credibility in Moscow might go further towards ending the war than killing another 100,000 troops on the front line. Some sort of disruption or bomb scare.

End of the day, the one thing Putin cares values even more than invading Ukraine is self-preservation.

Imagine they launched a drone and aimed it at Putin, no explosives in it etc. Just a camera and they had him on camera running and looking scared and they just plaster that video/pic all over the world. Probably be the end of him seeing him scurry away from the drone.

Nice short read…

Meeting ‘Madyar’: the Ukrainian drones boss raining on Putin’s parade | Ukraine | The Guardian

EDIT: " In Brovdi’s view, Ukraine has pioneered a “new doctrine of war”. Drones are responsible for 80% of destruction, he says, supplanting assault rifles and armour. “A blitzkrieg is now impossible. If Russia had a million tanks and tried to seize Kyiv again, it would be the biggest bloodbath in world history,” he says. “Two million drones would swarm over these tanks and burn them mercilessly.” "

I keep getting drawn back to 2022 when I read these kind of statements. Crazy how much this kind of land based warfare has developed in such a short time. Can you imagine if Madyar's Birds existed back when there were kms of Russian armour in a traffic jam retreating from Kyiv?

I wonder how drones would have affected the Viet Nam war. Don't even speculate!…