Tesla Talk 2

MojoMaker · 06-05-2026 04:57PM

Excellent.

So Tesla doesn't need to ask anyone in authority here can they deploy FSD Supervised to subscribers in Ireland?

We are closer than I thought. I can't wait - genuinely assumed someone would have to sign off on it, but every day is a school day in some form I suppose.

liamog · 06-05-2026 05:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124448518#Comment_124448518

The EU is usually very explicit about that kind of thing, where is it?

unkel · 06-05-2026 05:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124448531#Comment_124448531

Yes, within hours of RDW approving FSD for the Netherlands, the first FSD owners got it rolled out via OTA software update to their cars. And the free FSD trials started just a day or so later. In theory we could have "fully self driving" Teslas in Ireland by the end of next month or not much later

MojoMaker · 06-05-2026 05:09PM

So who is the equivalent of the RDW in this country?

I was struggling with it, thought maybe DoT, but Listermint has kindly poo-poo'd that.

unkel · 06-05-2026 05:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124448556#Comment_124448556

I don't think there is any. RDW do a lot of the type approvals for cars in the EU afaik. But I am no expert on all this EU legal mumbo jumbo

Cyrus · 06-05-2026 05:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124448328#Comment_124448328

What's your view on q1 European sales ?

Cyrus · 06-05-2026 05:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124447615#Comment_124447615

Not if the safety supervisor doesn't step in ( I'm speaking in terms of the experience as a passenger I understand the technicalities regarding liability etc )

listermint · 06-05-2026 05:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124448538#Comment_124448538

About the approval period being 36 months and it's the exemption period ? It's all in the text your referencing.

They are explicit in that it's a provisional approval period. It's not enforced adoption. That's why it's so long. There's nothing to enforce adoption by any member state in the way of regulation.

Did I miss that anywhere ? Not even the teslaiest of X accounts would agree on that .

tppytoppy · 06-05-2026 06:10PM

My view of q1 sales is that the European manufacturers need to make margin and book CO2 credits so Tesla can still sell product to keep Cashflow but they are not making good profit. With the very strong pricing of Renault r4 and r5 and pricing for polo, raval and Epiq this looks like it will continue. My big issue with Tesla is the precarious nature of that German factory. They can continue to sell Chinese or US model 3 and Y until they are truly antiquated. They can't command a premium until they start making new product and the big threat for them is the su7 and yu7 which hit Europe in 2027.

JOL1 · 06-05-2026 07:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124447726#Comment_124447726

It is up to each country to approve but for those that want to they can do so without having to undertake the extensive testing themselves (essentially piggybacking on the Nederlands RDW whose testing was undertaken over 18 months). A fastrack process so to speak.

JOL1 · 06-05-2026 07:45PM

To

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124447995#Comment_124447995

We all know that Tesla's comments are not "independent" and have a postive/optimistic outlook. However, the published press release from RDW arguably is independent and includes the following statements "Safety is RDW’s top priority. Using this driver assistance system correctly makes a positive contribution to road safety". see also a more comprehensive statement in attachment extracted from RDW.

These are to indicate what gain can be achieved by authorising and as Minister for Tramsport I am sure road safety is part of his remit (a reason also why he passed legislation and signed a statutory instriment in March 2026 regarding Section 5(a) of the Road Traffic and Roads Act 2023, setting up the formal legal framework for these systems ….

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preparatory work.

listermint · 06-05-2026 08:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124448855#Comment_124448855

That has zero bearing on road safety whatsoever. It's a single software addition to a 2 models a few thousand road users and it's a paid variant.

If anything there's an argument that he would promoting the bottom line of a private business.

As I said, 'stepping up' is a bizarre take of a complaint to be leveling at our minister in this context.

tppytoppy · 06-05-2026 08:40PM

It will be be hard to avoid 4680 batteries in a Tesla in coming months. Reportedly, they get $35 tax credit per kWh. The batteries might charge slower but it helps their profitability.

JOL1 · 07-05-2026 12:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124448892#Comment_124448892

An interesting response…you asked…i answered, not using any personal view but that of an independent regulatory authority (RDW) who has concluded and stated " "Using this driver assistance system correctly makes a positive contribution to road safety". A valid reason (thats my personal opinion!)as to why the Minister for transport might be influenced to embrace as part of his remit. Simples!

listermint · 07-05-2026 07:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124449516#Comment_124449516

Its not an interesting response it's an accurate one, you just repeated yourself. Saying it twice doesn't change what I responded with the first time.

MojoMaker · 07-05-2026 10:03AM

If and when it comes to the department of transport to approve the use of FSD Supervised in Ireland I hope Darragh O'Brien or his department staff show leadership by embracing the positive results from the Netherlands and allow this to proceed during its provisional period en route to full and formal adoption by the European Union.

Is that better than "stepping up"? I think everyone knows what I meant, and as this scenario hasn't happened yet, it wasn't a complaint.

There are plenty of inertial ministers, civil servants, and public sector workers that are so disenfranchised there is a risk something like this comes along and nobody "steps up" to address, evaluate, and approve it for its potential positive contribution to road safety.

You can image the refrain - "I'm too busy", "I don't understand it", "I'm on lunch, sorry", "I've a million paperclips to push around this desk, go away…".

Hopefully the RDW's impressive groundwork in this area will make the adoption process in Ireland a formality, but I'm not holding my breath given how goddamn conservative and lazy we can be in this country when it suits us.

And if it's not the DoT that would have a key say in this decision - and nobody seems to be able to posit a decision maker here - then please Tesla, just crack on and deploy it.

Cyrus · 07-05-2026 10:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124448892#Comment_124448892

this is all beyond an individual company and ones opinion about them and more about the move towards self driving and improved road safety, these are all steps along the journey so rather than looking at one manufacturer and 10-15k cars on the road id look at it more wholistically.

listermint · 07-05-2026 10:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124449873#Comment_124449873

No, this is specifically about one manufacturer. Other manufacturers are not pursuing this 'type' of 'FSD' (id actually like the EU to enforce standards around the naming tbh because it's reprehensible' )

And the 'safer' is yet to be proven. It passed a set of minimum standards set down by the RDW for their specific test cases. It doesn't mean it's safer.

Actually I'm at odds at this point , since it's this good as everyone seems to think it is, and it's also so safe that everyone seems to say it is. Why isnt Robotaxi rolled out across the US now (it's the same tech?) why don't we have thousands of robotaxis driving around doing business churning in Tesla revenue. Instead of a handful doing small ring fenced journeys and not being available to book most of the time.

That itself is a real dichotomy given the supposed success .

Safer? Let's see all the data (Tesla refuse to release it)

serjical_strike · 07-05-2026 10:24AM

Seeing the sales in Canada and end of quarter coming right as I'm due to collect a M3 RWD. I'm terrified there will be some crazy sale or price change that I'll just miss out on taking delivery late May / early June.

Not sure if Tesla honor any price changes prior to collection or if its a case of tough sh*t you ordered already.

MojoMaker · 07-05-2026 10:27AM

It's one of their better principles, if the price goes down since ordering - you pay the new price. If the price goes up since ordering - you pay the old price.

listermint · 07-05-2026 11:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124449899#Comment_124449899

As above they've history of honouring it at least here.

But tbh I wouldn't worry about it. Your happy with the price. It's nice to get more off , but at the end of the day you could be the waiting for ever and never buy anything if there was always a maybe of it getting a slight cut in price the next month .

Cyrus · 07-05-2026 11:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124449897#Comment_124449897

they are all pursuing it in one form or another, what do you mean they aren't? Regardless of the hardware deployed is the same end goal they are all chasing.

If you have an issue with the RDW as an authority on this take it up elsewhere.

serjical_strike · 07-05-2026 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124449909#Comment_124449909

Good to know! I doubt anything will come up price wise with the demand being so high but on the off chance its good to have that info. Cheers

listermint · 07-05-2026 11:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124450067#Comment_124450067

Your aware of what I mean. We don't got down that path here. This is clearance for one specific manufacturer. And they shouldn't be allowed coin the term FSD it's a parody at this point.

unkel · 07-05-2026 12:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124449897#Comment_124449897

You have been shown the latest NHTSA data before. It shows 100 accidents, 80 are Waymo, a few from another few companies and zero Tesla accidents. But you are not going to take my word for it. Here is the raw data, have a look yourself or let your favourite AI analyse it:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/ffdd/sgo-2021-01/SGO-2021-01_Incident_Reports_ADS.csv

And you know full well why robotaxi isn't rolled out in the whole world yet. I have personally explained that to you several times before in this thread. It is beta software, only recently is it good enough to self drive L4 without a supervisor / Tesla employee in the car (we are talking weeks, not even months since this started) and it is very carefully being rolled out by Tesla. Safety first.

And before any smart remarks, yes of course Waymo are doing way more L4 miles per day, perhaps 100 times as many, maybe more. But they are at it 7 years, not 7 weeks like Tesla…

Cyrus · 07-05-2026 12:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124450113#Comment_124450113

yes and itll ease the path for the others, generally how these things work. Surely the best solution will rise to the top and you can be proven right in 5 or 10 years.

MojoMaker · 07-05-2026 12:34PM

Is it just Tesla you have an issue with LM?

listermint · 07-05-2026 01:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124450160#Comment_124450160

Tesla aren't providing the NHTSA all their data in fact they've refused to. The other ones are. And Waymo have hundreds of thousands of more miles and hundreds of driverless vehicle hours.

Your data link is meaningless until Tesla are willing to provide all of their information that the competitors in driverless space are providing.

listermint · 07-05-2026 01:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124450163#Comment_124450163

I don't want to be proven right. I am right, you can't operate a driverless vehicle relying on camera technology as you're sole source for information. There isn't an argument to be made that this the future of driverless vehicles.

You've refused to refute this with any evidence at all. You ignore Tesla's own engineers complaints, you ignore the reason this decision was taken (cost) , you ignore that no other manufacturer is pursuing camera based technology as the sole input.

But you deride my experience with camera only based technology. In fact you all sided and thanked random poster A, who jumped in a month ago and then legged it dropping 1 post about AI. And gifted him as the arbitrator of information despite him backing up none of what he said.

listermint · 07-05-2026 01:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124450237#Comment_124450237

I have issue with their method of implementing priceless technology and I have issue with how they and their numerous automation fronts flood the zone and pressure industry to accept them as defacto rule setters.

Their running the worst technical implementation in the market for driverless cars.

They are leading the spade in image processing capabilities.

These two are not mutually exclusive.

I think they'd have advanced the field more of they ignored Elons cost cutting exercise and the spend on his CT Segway. They need to get back on track.

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