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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭midlander12


    As befits the leader of a party whose Shadow Justice Secretary complained about a Muslim prayer service (she said he was 'defending British values').

    With all the focus on Starmer, the media have forgotten to mention that the Tories are also in a fight for survival in Thursday's elections. 'More fash than the fash' seems to be their unofficial slogan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Anyone trying to link one event to the other is a persona non grata.

    The implication here is that you are saying it is perfectly fine to link anti-semitism to Israeli war crimes. Do you think this is the case?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭rock22


    Is it not more the case that anyone criticising Israeli genocide in Gaza is labelled as being anti-semitic. As almost all of Ireland has been labelled anti-semitic, in my opinion, it is a totally meaningless phrase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The people who are anti-semitic are those who conflate criticism of Israeli actions as being the same as anti-Jewish. You can see it littered on forums such as this

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,423 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,006 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It seems inevitable that if there is a global rise in anti-Semitism (which may well be the case), it is 100% being fuelled by Israel and its war crimes. The blame for this has to lie with the Zionists. They keep on saying that Judaism and Zionism are inextricably linked - no recognition at all that Israel has gone rogue and become a terrorist state.

    The racists who were already anti-Semitic are not really relevant to the conversation. Presumably most racists and bigots (whether far left or far right) couldn't give a flying fig about the people of Gaza, Palestine or Lebanon either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I'm glad to see they covered it. I listen to LBC and I haven't heard it mentioned once on the news headlines, though they did prominently carry today the dread news that Zack Polanski once exaggerated his role in the Red Cross.

    I was amused by the female commentator in the Newsnight piece who argued that the 'gift' made Farage look 'just like the others' and maybe less like 'someone you might want to have a pint with'. Constant minimising - the point is it makes him look complete unlike any of the others, not least because the media has largely (though I accept not entirely) ignored the story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭midlander12


    How are they 'not relevant'? They're who we're talking about, surely? And I agree that deep down few of them give a toss about the Palestinians or Lebanese either.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The blame for people's actions lies with the people doing the actions.

    The Greens have obviously jumped on the Gaza issue as a pillar of their policy. That may well turn out to be excellent political posturing (I think it is an absurd thing to focus on for local elections in the UK, but I don't get to chose what issues achieve salience), but it has also clearly attracted a large number of people, and an increasingly worrying number of candidates, for whom this is the only thing they care about and whose attitude towards it is clearly just antisemitic in nature in a way that spills over against all Jewish people. Crackpots run as councillors for every party, that in and of itself is not the problem, it is the poor response - including a deputy leader telling people to legally fight their expulsion and campaign as Greens anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭moon2


    If you replace your first usage of "anti-semitism" with "anti-israel" the passage makes a lot more sense and is probably a lot more accurate/useful as a framing.

    In it current form it appears to continue the trope that being against genocide is being anti-semitic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,006 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Zionists are desperately trying to shut down discussion of the Israeli genocide and war crimes. What better way to do it than accuse accuse anyone of engaging in such conversations as being anti-Semitic? It's a masterstroke - say that the real reason such people are criticising the Israeli state is because they hate Jewish people and were anti-Semitic all along.

    To add some icing on the cake, accuse them of being Hamas supporters i.e. fellow travellers of terrorism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,423 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I just watched a campaign video from the Greens on Facebook. They begin by talking about housing. They go on about solutions but the only details offered are rent controls which won't achieve much.

    I don't see why there's such a heavy emphasis on Gaza in local elections. People are more concerned with potholes and council tax rates.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Well, the big day's finally here - the nearest UK equivalent to the US midterms, which unlike the latter may actually result in an immediate top-level defenestration.

    There are 3 main features to tomorrow's polls - the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Senedd (both one house only, all seats up) and the English local elections which are a mixed bag and do not involve the whole of England voting.

    The outcome in Scotland and Wales is fairly predictable in terms of the govts that will follow the election - these will be led by the SNP and (for the first time ever) Plaid Cymru and the only issue is what sort of coalition they have to form, if at all in the case of the SNP.

    The Scottish parliament is elected via a mixture of constituency which run on old-fashioned first past the post and a regional list which involves some element of PR. The latest projections for Scotland are SNP 32-41% in the constituencies and 26-29% for the list, Lab 12-19%, Cons 10-13%, Greens 15-17%, Reform 18-20% and the Lib Dems 10-12%. While the SNP is about down on last time, because the unionist vote is so fragmented they seem likely to hold onto all or nearly all of the 64 seats they held last time. Their allies the Greens may go up from 8 to 14-16. Reform are projected to get 19-22 in their first Scottish election, the Tories 7-12 (down from 31) and the LD's 8-12 (up from 4). So it will be either an SNP or SNP/Green govt and the SNP will mark 20 years in power next year.

    Opinion polling for the 2026 Scottish Parliament election - Wikipedia

    Wales is electing an Assembly with 96 seats in the basis of a pure PR party-list system. Lab have held power here since devolution in 1999 but they have collapsed here since Starmer took office and Reform and Plaid Cymru will be fighting it out to be the biggest party. Current projections are PC 30-35%, Reform 27-30%, Lab 10-15%, Cons 10-12%, Lib Dems 4-6% and Greens 8-10%. Projections vary from PC 35-45 seats Reform 29-37, Lab 12-24, Cons 3-7, Greens 5-10 and LD's 0-3. As is obvious Reform and the Tories will not have the numbers and it will be a PC-led govt probably with the Greens and maybe Lab if they're needed (REMINDER:- Lab took 30 seats out of 60 last time).

    2026 Senedd election - Wikipedia

    The English local elections are for about 5000 seats across England including all seats in London and most of the main cities except Liverpool, parts of various district councils and about six county councils. These seats were last up in 2022 when Lab were doing well and they hold about 2200 of them, the Tories about 1100, LD's about 660, the Greens about 170 and Reform hardly any as they weren't around in 2022. Because of the recent growth of both Reform and the Greens, the interest will be on how much of the carcass of Lab and the Tories both of them will feed off. Reform have done very well since early 2025 in county council elections and local byelections in the north-east, East Midlands and East Anglia, Essex, Kent and Greater Manchester (not the city), but have made little headway in London and the south-east (other than Kent) or in the south-west. The Greens have been doing well in opinion polls but it remains to be seen if they can convert that into council seats at Lab's expense. Projections have been attempted by the New Stateman and More in Common, showing Lab collapsing to 5-600 of the seats they're defending, the Tories to 500-750, LD's increasing to 750-900, Reform taking 1500-1700 and the Greens about 1000 (Others also falling from 773 to 200-400). This would be a complete remake of the old two-and-a-bit party system which has prevailed since the 1920's and unless it was somehow reversed before the next GE, would mean European-style fragmented politics in the UK.

    There are no council elections this year in Scotland or Wales, or NI for that matter.

    2026 United Kingdom local elections - Wikipedia



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    What part of talking about Jewish cockroaches (this person is still a candidate for the Greens) do you consider to be anti-Israel as opposed to antisemitic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,084 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's incredible that the British government and media keep on with this line. I will say one thing, just for the sake of nuance, which is that I can see how a dislike of Israeli policy could prime a certain amount of people to tumble into a generally antisemitic world view and be more amenable to propaganda to that end, but that's certainly not the same thing as opposition to Israeli policies being inherently antisemitic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,006 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Many decent Jewish people have been warning that what Netanyahu and Israel are up to can only make the world a more hostile place for them. Polanski is trying to make this point too, but is being savaged for his trouble and described as anti-Semitic, a dangerous lunatic, a 'far left extremist' etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    and antisemitic depictions of him are published by the media yet the silence from those who throw around antisemitism like confetti to protect zionism is deafening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The 'antisemitism' advisor to the UK govt on the above depictions…. he victim blames which is another example of antisemitism, this time from a UK government advisor!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,728 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Separately; Times. Mail. Telegraph. Sun

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    Let me just say, I'm not saying that I personally find any of the caricatures above particularly offensive. I'm not saying they are antisemitic, I am not saying they are not. My views on these images is not the point of this post.

    But the above is indicative of some ways in which this whole topic is particularly troublesome. And that is for 3 reasons.

    One. It indicates an obvious hypocrisy, whereby in this instance where the media talk out of both sides of their mouths to demand some are held to account for particular actions that they have done, or are alleged to have done, while at the same time they themselves (media companies) use tactics that are broadly of the same nature to demean and undermine a target for political reasons. In 8 weeks, Protestants in Northern Ireland will have a "celebration" deliberately mocking and targeting Catholics, and there won't be 0.01% of a response from government or police officials.

    Two, this whole conversation recently has indicated strong evidence of there being a hierarchy of racism, in that accusations of antisemitism brings the most immediate outcry and indignation and demands for disciplining action (subject to point one). This was particularly evidence with the Golders Green attack where the Muslim victim was first outright removed from consideration and then their suffering all but dismissed so as to prioritize the needs of the Jewish victims. This was showcased perfectly in a Julia Hartley Brewer piece where when she was called out for referring to only the Jewish victims in the attack, she defended her doing so by saying that the Prime Minister and the Met Police Commissioner only mentioned the Jewish victims. She acted like that fact didn't totally validate the point of the Green Candidate who was talking to her and who challenged her.

    The last thing that annoys me about all this is when examples like the above are shown as evidence of a trend in powerful circles to pick a particular narrative, it is dismissed by many (in public and on here) as being a conspiracy of some sorts with suggestions there is no evidence to support it. I mean the narrative to support the Neocon/conservative/Western positions with respect to the state of Israel and its Zionist focus. I'm not saying that every event is a link in the same chain of one particular ideal, but time and again over the last years/decades we've seen powerful participants align in the same way in support of what is an Israeli influenced if not led strategy.

    For those furiously typing their "So you're saying Jews...." posts, dont bother. Im not saying that. Its clear what I am saying. A Jew, Zach Polanski has been saying the same thing, and many more Jews beside him and yet here we are, very powerful media companies using antisemitism to both silence non-conservative voices and simultaneously to undermine a Jewish non-conservative voice.

    All in the interests of what can reasonably be identified as a harmful and destructive state which has carried out a Genocide of Palestinians and continues to force apartheid on them as well as coercing the US in to another war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,423 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm not remotely surprised that the people telling us that there's nothing with with phrasing like "Jewish cockroaches" and downplaying anti-Semitic hate crimes are suddenly now concerned about anti-Semitism when it's targeted at someone they agree with who is Jewish.

    It's very hard to imagine that this controlling the space agenda was the sole aim of Corbynism. It was never about helping Palestinians or opposing genocide. It was about virtue signalling and narcissism, as prove by the debacle of Your Party.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,006 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Corbyn was never accused of being anti-Semitic until the right wing press and Labour Right decided this was this was going to be their line of attack after he became party leader in 2015. He had been an MP for 30 years before this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,423 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Barely anyone knew who he was before he became leader in 2015. He took over and began purging the party of centrists as well as enabling anti-Semitism. We're not dealing with a victim here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Jesus are you ever going to stop obsessing about Corbyn.

    It's like a poster who still spends every day talking about how bad a PM May was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    You have never proven that corbyn did not have a genuine concern for Palestinians so I dont know why you keep repeating this nonsense. The failure of Your Party does not add any credibility to your claim of virtue signaling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,423 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I didn't think so until the Your Party debacle. A group of MPs establish a single issue party and then begin bickering like a nest of vipers. That's proof enough for me.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    It is only proof of incompetence. It is not proof of pretending to believe in a particular cause. Unless you can point to correspondence by Corbyn regarding his genuine thoughts on Palestine that contradict his public utterances all you have is a leap of logic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,423 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    In two completely different parties? IMO, no. If your bar for evidence is Corbyn openly admitting that he doesn't give a toss for Gaza and Palestinians then I obviously don't have that. He's not quite Nigel Farage.

    To me, it's obvious. They tried to purge the Labour party and when that didn't work and they threw away not one, but two elections, they started their own based on the single issue. From there, they proceeded to bicker, peddle conspiracy narratives about each other, and claim to be victims. It's a bit like the Irish language debate. Anyone who asks questions gets abused and the only requirement seems to be to say words.

    It's much worse than incompetence. It discredits the cause they claim to support. The media here is astonishingly corrupt and they keep feeding it ammunition and then acting surprised when it's used.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    You have written three paragraphs displaying no evidence related to Corbyn not caring about Gaza.

    Virtue signaling is such a lazy insult to throw at anyone if you cant point to specific actions or words that contradict that person's position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,423 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I did point to specific actions in Your Party. You ignored this.

    I've also seen no evidence that this was a media hit job so the lack of evidence here goes both ways.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    You didn't point to any action related to Gaza.



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