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AEW - All Elite Wrestling (*Spoilers for Latest Show*)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Have you any examples of that? I've just never heard it described that way. Or has anyone else any insight.

    My understanding was always that the '90 day clause' is in fact them being notified that their contract will terminate in 90 days from when they were notified. That they are still technically under contract until those 90 days are up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    That's what I've read too. They won't be able to shorten that period unless WWE agree. Which is unlikely in the extreme if they're going to AEW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭ThePott


    I was always under the belief that it was a 90 Day notice or Termination/90 Day Non-Compete clause and that therefore they were still technically a contracted WWE talent until the end of those 90 Days.

    Wasn't this why there was an issue with Andrade last year too?

    I know NXT contracts used to only be 30 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    Yes, I was actually agreeing with you sorry if that wasn't clear. It's 90 days notice essentially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Sorry that misunderstanding is completely on me 😂. Totally understood that you agreed with me but the phrasing of my post doesn't make that clear at all. Sorry about that, my bad.

    I meant to just add onto my point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    Ok so my understanding is that it's a 90 day non compete clause, for lack of a better term, but that anyone can choose to forego the payment and go work elsewhere right away but obviously the majority choose to get paid for 3 months to stay at home to heal and spend time with family.

    The highest profile examples would be when Booker T and DDP chose to jump straight to WWE from WCW but it's not exactly a 1 to 1 comparison. I'll need to think about it but I do remember someone famously choosing to go straight to work somewhere else when everyone expected them to be gone for 90 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭ThePott


    I can't even dispute it tbf. Just hadn't heard it described the way you mentioned as the defacto rule. I've just always heard it explained the way I mentioned.

    Mind you, what you've said sounds vaguely familiar with someone waiving payment and debuting somewhere else instead but I can't remember if I'm getting confused with the WCW stuff or if it was another very specific case.

    I think even the specifics of the contracts aside, I could see them holding back a New Day (at the moment I think they're the most worthwhile pick-up for AEW) for an event as big as All In, in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    I don't think the contracts are written that way now, can't speak to years ago. Remember Andrade recently thought he could just choose to go back to AEW after WWE released him and they quickly set the lawyers on him and made him wait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭SteM


    I think the 90 day no-compete can only be broken if wwe agrees. I don't think a wrestler can just say that they will forego 90 days pay and jump straight to aew.

    The DDP/Booker T thing was totally different, AOL offered wrestlers a buyout of their contract when wcw was being sold, DDP accepted and was able to go to the wwe straight away. Others didn't accept the buyout of their contract and chose to sit out and be paid in full until their contract expired. Not the same thing as the New Day at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    Yea look it's totally possible I'm wrong and it's something that was in older contracts and has since been nixed by WWE. Agreed that the WCW AOL stuff was different but it was the first ones to come to mind, which again means I'm likely wrong and the 90 days is watertight



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭colmufc


    WCW to WWE in 2001 is not something you can base this off, that was a takeover, WCW that sat out were basically being way overpaid so thats why most chose to sit it out or at least wait for WWF at the time to offer something big enough to leave the WCW money behind, this is why most of the big name did not come over at the start, Booker saw it as a chnace to get ahead of othere WCW talent and boy was he right, really paid off long term.

    As for the 90 day thing, its simple, WWE fire you before the end of the contract they can/ususally do make you wait 90 days to be able to compete elsewhere, there has been times where they have let wrestlers show up at other very small promotions and show face but did not allow them to take bumps as they are still technically employed by WWE, its basically a 90 notice but because were not building anything for you just go home, there is no forgoeing the 90s days pay to take a contract at AEW, the only way to be able to show up at a different promotion the day after is if your contract runs out.

    This is how andrade showed up in AEW, this is how the most famous case of this happened, when Lex Luger showed up on Nitro as his contract was up and he was in a prerecored Raw and vince did not even consider Lex would go back to WCW so was as shocked as us all that night but he let the contract slide and that was his fault.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 16,416 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    Hopefully not true, no interest seeing him back in AEW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    A waste of a no doubt expensive contract. They'd probably have to hire the mrs as well who doesn't really have much to offer them. She's ok but you wouldn't be crying out to sign her full time on her own merits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    Fightful have a report out now having spoken to "AEW" and they are denying being in contact with Black. Sounds like Tommy and the Mrs trying to drum up some fake interest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭CajunSurprise


    That fairway to hell episode last night was fun and AEW should be clipping loads from the Darby/PAC match and flooding all media with those clips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,114 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    3Arena would sell well for a Double TV taping if Cardiff and Glasgow can host



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 16,416 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    Part of me is hoping we get a date this time around for All In but have a feeling they will do another part of the UK

    EDIT: Just spotted they announced the double tapings for Glasgow, maybe we might get something around Xmas like they did for Manchester last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,846 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    They could do with getting a couple of Irish wrestlers. I'm not counting David Finlay. Any prospects? Didn't Big damo have a couple of matches?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Plenty of prospects in Ireland tbh. Honestly one of my big disappointments with AEW is that for a time when it was gearing up it seemed like it might be an avenue for more European talent to make it over to a major American promotion but that hasn't really materialised unfortunately.

    Session Moth had a few matches with AEW, mostly AEW Dark. She was very unfortunate in that she signed with ROH and then the pandemic hit which more or less killed that version of ROH before Tony bought it. She did show up at Global Wars last year. She's the champion in EVE which has strong Ospreay ties so I think if anyone has a foot in the door it's her.

    Some Irish talent has had WWE tryouts and a few more WWE affiliated things aside and I wonder what that means for their chances of getting a look in with AEW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,122 ✭✭✭adaminho




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    Martina is well liked by plenty of talent in AEW but she'd likely be one of the weakest in ring they'd have if she were to get another shot. And when there's 100s/1000s of young US based women all readily available with more potential then it's obvious why Martina isnt likely to get a call. Same goes for Damo.

    KLR is the most likely of the Euros to get a real chance in AEW. I'm not as clued in on the Britwres scene as I used to be but I still regularly chat to one or two that are and there doesn't seem to be anyone coming along from Ireland right now that is a can't miss prospect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,846 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Yeah, as we see with the likes of TNA, they probably prefer to avoid the headaches of visa issues. So would likely need to be established in some way over there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭ThePott


    I don't disagree with any of that from either of ye tbh.

    I think there's some strong talent here in Ireland and the UK, some that will be ready in a few years too maybe. It definitely seems more and more though that AEW would get less of a headache by going with American talent.

    The indie scene in general isn't waht ti was making it harder and harder for talent to break out in a big way like they had when AEW was getting ready to launch. I think strangely enough now it looks more likely for European talent to go through WWE (more likely a feeder promotion, Evolve or what have you), Bayley's Lodestone or just getting a WWE tryout to get on AEW's radar. I think when AEW Dark and Elevation were going then there was more likelihood of getting a look in from them for international wrestlers. Them not having as much of a developmental programme is potentially another reason for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    AEW don't have a developmental programme because they allow their contracted talent to go out and work in other companies and then listen to the talent for people who deserve a shot. Also we just saw Maya World and her partner who's name escapes me get contracts when Nixon Newell thought she was above doing a job in AEW so Tony is absolutely aware of the talent that are out there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭ThePott


    I wasn't suggesting that AEW need a developmental programme, it wasn't a shot at AEW. I was just stating for a fact that they don't.

    While they obviously can develop by going to the indies, they rarely actually do. I would argue as I've seen others say in the past that there's little incentive for contracted AEW talents to go to these indies unless they are self-motivated enough to improve themselves. Talking specifically now about talent that aren't veterans.

    I wasn't suggesting that Tony isn't aware of the talent out there only that the method he had for 'trialing' talent he used to have Dark/Elevation doesn't exist anymore. Nixon Newell is actually the type of wrestlers I'm talking about as far as a wrestler who went through WWE and that gave her more of a profile to made her more likely to get a look in with AEW (not that they would necessarily sign her). Obviously she had some momentum on the indies before but that's going back nearly a decade at this point.

    None of it was a critique of AEW or anything like that, merely an observation about how I think European talent is perhaps less likely to get a look in from AEW nowadays than in their early days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    I wasn't being defensive of AEW, so if it came across that way then my apologies. More so just pointing out that is how AEW tend to evaluate indie talent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Fair, I may have misread the comment too tbf. Hard to read intonation or intention with text at times. You're on the ball with how AEW recognises or evaluates talent and I think we're in agreement there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭CajunSurprise


    Darby Allin is having one hell of a in ring run as world champion up there with some of the best ever no matter how long he holds it.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 16,416 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    I see Buddy Matthews returned in Australia attacking Dijak, could we see him return and turn on Brody in aew with the owen cup coming up?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,846 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    He said he wasn't cleared but would be cleared in October but that may have just been in reference to the next big Australian event. So whether he's cleared before then, is unclear.



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