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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Rowling set up a space rooted in her hatred for trans people. She makes a point of calling it 'women-only'.

    Sharron Davies and Riley Gaines claim to be protecting women but they do f*ck all only hate trans people. There's a difference.

    And nice little dig at the end there. Typical of you throwing terms like 'deranged' around when you can't face the hard facts of the grift.

    Are you incapable of actually having a discussion or do you just want to throw digs around?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    And Rowling herself is a survivor of an abusive relationship, though she doesn't tend to get much credit for that. The #bekind crowd demands that we celebrate everyone's lived experience - that is everyone who holds the approved views of course (actually they're more religious beliefs than views).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Perhaps you could point out the correct post then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I don't honestly think I'm doing either, and I'm absolutely in agreement with you and @Boggles that there's nothing inherently offensive about stating something that's 100% correct. The poster managed to make it clear that this form of words was meant as disparaging, which was quite the achievement.

    Great to see you recognising the wonderful achievements of a wonderful writer though, would that your fellow travellers might do the same.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Yes, Rowling has literally spent millions of pounds of her own money to help women and girls all around the world. Its ridiculous to call her hateful just because she has focused on the sex based rights of women. I dont think the taliban asked the women she helped escape Afghanistan how they identified before deciding to oppress them. Same with sports, the fact that sex is a biological reality which is very pertinent to athletic performance is an inconvenient truth for the activists so all they can do is screech about how women are so "hateful" for acknowledging this.

    The reason women have sports leagues seperate from men, domestic violence shelters and even public toilets etc is because women campaigned for these things and set them up. Maybe the trans activists should try this rather than complaining that they cant force their way into womens spaces? (And its always womens spaces. I've yet to see a trans man complaining about not being sent to a men's prison for example)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    You went on a rant and decided to throw in those 3 women for the hell of it.

    Gaines and Davies said absolutely zero about trans women until they saw they were cheating in sports.

    It's particularly personal issue for each of them as Davies was almost certainly cheated out of medals by East European women who were pumped full of male hormones back in the 80's and Gaines raced in NCAA where Lia Thomas who was cheating was in those competitions

    Having a female only (i.e real women) rape crisis centre that Rowling created is perfectly reasonable, I can imagine after rape that women would be very sensitive being a round men they don't know so wanting to avoid that for them is quite admirable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Rowling set up a space rooted in her own experience of domestic violence. Women and children who have been through this do not want generally to be around male strangers, regardless of how they identify. Let's not forget the backdrop to why she set up the shelter btw. A male person was in charge of the main womens shelter in the area and refused to accept that some women might prefer to speak about their trauma with other females only



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Arseboxing


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Further evidence his best comedic writing days are well behind him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Graham Linehan would be best advised to stick to comedy ….. in all fairness he had talent as a comedic writer ….. and Father Ted is a classic that pushed the boundaries …… ironically against a Christo-far right mentality …..

    Linehan …. plus others ….. have no idea about transgender people ….. first off they think it is a simple choice like buying chocolate or wine …… they do not realise the pain and anguish trans people go through ….. bottom line is no one goes through gender transition 'for the fun of it' ….. they are born the way they are …..

    Secondly ….. trans people are not as common as their haters would like us to believe ….. I have never met a trans person and know friends of mine who know only 1 or 2 ….. the conclusion is they are rare ….. and no one decides to 'become' one on a whim …..

    Linehan and the others feed into the far right narrative ….. a narrative helped on by a certain foreign ex businessman who went broke and got bailed out by far right scam groups in return for he being their puppet 'president' …… It suits Linehan and other 'washed up' celebs to pander to a dimwitted far right audience who would then think of Linehan and the others as 'heroes' ……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Linehan got more involved in this because he saw kids being put on puberty blockers and transitioning, that seemed to be the tipping point for him. Kids really can't consent to such things and really don't know who they are yet some people pushed ahead and did it anyway, he saw it as a form of child abuse and I'd be inclined to agree with him there.

    It's not a far right narrative it's a reality versus fiction narrative.

    Transgender women are not women it's as simple as that, people were fine with them living their lives as women and then at some point that wasn't enough for the transgender rights movement and they wanted rid of any distinction between them and real women. That is when a lot of people turned and said there clearly is a distinction between transgender women and real women and it needs to be recognized and women's rights need to be protected.

    JK Rowling was as lefty as you could get until this issue cropped up so it really has little to do with the far right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    She was also responsible for paying towards the cost of a charter plane which rescued Afghani women and their families who were on a Taliban kill list after the last Afghan government fell.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.com/news/article-11684441/amp/JK-Rowling-secretly-donated-money-save-female-lawyers-families-Afghanistan.html

    I still remember the Reddit thread about it where the 'be kind' brigade were writing tosh like to paraphrase I don't care she's still an evil bigot who inciting genocide against trans people.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭Enduro


    they are born the way they are ….

    What is someone who transitioned gender, and then subsequently de-transitioned "born"? because it seems to me they couldn't possibly be "born" both at the same time (However, they are 100% born as a specific sex, irrespective of whatever gender identity they have at any point in time)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Just one correction on that. Lia Thomas didn't cheat, as she was competing under the rules that allowed her to do so. The rules were the travesty, not the competitors. Any ire should be directed at the people responsible for those rules being in place. Thankfully, the rules have been tightened up now so that no males will currently be allowed to compete in female swimming competitions at that level (or above).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Not on the phone with the wonderful search function. Tbf I wouldn't do it anyway as there poster in question is not actively participating in this discussion.

    I have been amused at how certain posters refuse to engage when I have carefully worded and researched posts yet when I say something in passing that I don't think is if any great importance, those same posters are suddenly energised enough to discuss how many Enid Blyton books would fit on the head of a pin, or perhaps pass through the eye of a needle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    She was a darling of the left as long as she stuck to fantasy and fiction, it was when she started tweeting facts that she became persona non grata.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I guess posters were thinking you may insult them if they call Linehan a comedy writer or JK Rowling a childrens book author. It just seemed to be a total over reaction to a factual statement on their main profession.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I once challenged someone on here to find a single post where I've insulted another poster. To date I haven't had a response. If you are aware of such a post please bring it to my attention and I will retract it and apologise unreservedly. I do write bluntly at times on an effort to prevent misrepresentation, I think that's reasonable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    It's not a bad thing, in fact it's wonderful, and in the case of JK Rowling I struggle to find words for how wonderful it is. In fact, though it's a bit intangible, I suspect she had such an influence on encouraging kids to read that many millions of books not written by her were sold due in part to her efforts.

    The point of my comments on the post I referred to was that that poster had managed to make it seem less worthy than it was, not because her books were bad but because of her opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I'm not sure if I have quoted this correctly but you call them petty, small-minded and wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't recall, honestly. I don't think it was me in the end.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Yeah was trying to reply to aero, apologies. I would class it as an insult to be called petty and small minded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    MOD NOTE: I know this is a heated topic, but that doesn't mean standards can drop to the point of attacking another poster and making comments about their personal circumstances.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Rowling - a woman who experienced an abusive relationship, Davies - a woman who's a former athlete, Gaines - a woman who's a current athlete... couldn't possibly have any skin in the game, and their stances are based on nothing other than hatred of transwomen? There is no evidence that they don't care about women/women's sports - plenty of evidence that they do - and you can't read their minds, but you just... decide they have zero support for women because... you don't like what they say? I mean would you tolerate that kind of thing when it comes to anything else? E.g. when people call critics of the slaughter in Gaza anti-Semitic?

    Obviously it's unfair for a male bodied person to be able to take part in women's sports - because of advantages when it comes to strength. Anyone can see this - above all, female athletes.

    And the things Rowling has done for struggling women and girls have already been outlined.

    The lies and misrepresentations from some men in relation to things which don't affect them but do concern women... are staggering. And seriously not a good look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Interesting that male sporting figures have also come out against males competing in womens sports, notably seb coe who has actually been instrumental in implementing rules prohibiting them, but they arent accused of being hateful or threatened with rape and murder, as far as I know. Wonder why that is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    The lads here NEVER express objections to the horrific filth thrown at women who won't deny that sex matters. But I would never use their tactic of claiming that they must therefore be ok with threats of violence and sexual assault against women, because that would just be unhinged.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    People are born male, female or - in extremely rare cases - intersex.

    Dysphoria, gender non conforming, come later in life, and for varying reasons. It's not as simplistic as you describe. And yes it's true that the journey to become trans is indeed an extremely difficult one, and not done on a whim, a person who is just gender non conforming (no drugs, no surgery) is not trans.

    Lenihan has gone to the dark side now, but his views used to be moderate, left of centre. He never expressed a word against trans people just for being trans. In the last ten years or so however, he became concerned about children being administered puberty blockers and people being deemed trans merely by virtue of just saying it, and the ramifications of this for single-sex spaces, language, healthcare. Just basically rejecting the notion that biological sex can be disregarded and gender expression will suffice. This is not the same as hating trans people simply for being trans.

    Post edited by Mother Shaboobu on


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