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Liverpool FC - Talk /Gossip/Rumours 25/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,407 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Hard to imagine that we don't always have a running shortlist and hard to imagine that he isn't on the current one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Bit of an entitled attitude no? I will only watch and support the them if they are winning and playing the exact way I want them to. Just came of a run of three wins, could be argued we were a little unlucky not to at least draw or possibly win against united despite a bad start, decimated with injuries and terrible officiating.

    I think if a person read this thread at times with no knowledge of any results or table positions and you ask them based on this where Liverpool are in the table I think they would be saying relegation surely bases on the level of pessimism rather than 4th, a position we spend many many years not even being able to get on our "best" seasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    The dropping of standards continues, should be thankful for 4th (on near record-low points) because we've had worse seasons before.

    I'd also like to know, for a club that's won the league 20 times, which of our "best" seasons were finishes outside the Top 4?

    Post edited by Osmosis Jones on


  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


     a position we spend many many years not even being able to get on our "best" seasons.

    Completely and absolutely irrelevant.

    I absolutely despise this attitude, it's such a small time mentality.

    For years this club was the butt of jokes about playing for 4th place while other clubs of similar or even lesser stature challenged for league titles, I don't understand how anyone cannot be furious about us slipping back to that level again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Just to follow up:

    Since being promoted to the First Division in 62 we've played 63 full seasons of football.

    Of those 63 seasons we've finished in the Top 4 44 times.

    Of the 19 seasons finishing outside the top 4, we won trophies in 6 of them (not even counting charity shields)

    So I don't see how 4th place can be considered "a position we spend many many years not even being able to get on our "best" seasons."

    In 63 years we've had arguably only 13 seasons worse than this.

    Comments like that are no different to Slot's "2 titles in 30 years" talk, belittling the history of the club to defend the manager.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭brevity


    I don’t think anyone is happy with this season. Slot and the players have said multiple times that they are not happy so I don’t know how people think the standards are falling.

    If it comes to training and fitness, that could be an area of concern. Salah’s comments have startled a few people i think.

    I hope that next season the players will have a better preseason and that there will be less instances of players switching off or being tired at 60/70 minutes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    I would personally say mental standards dropped around the end of last season when we switched to party mode, and it kept going throughout the summer too (remember Trent's going away party), and right at the point where it should have clicked back, Jota died, so I think some of the players just never were able to get mentally back in the game imo.

    Physically we seem to have declined, and it's hard to know whether it is intentional or not, but it seems to be a lower paced, less intense tactical plan. In comparison to Klopp era you could say the standards dropped, but then if it is part of a broader plan, perhaps it would be more appropriate, albeit probably generous, to say they just changed.

    It will be interesting to hear what Salah has to say once he's out of the umbrella of the club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,407 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Slot, Klopp, Rafa and Rodgers all had their worst league seasons directly after their best

    You can debate over some of the league positions in those tenures but after finishing 1st (Slot, Klopp) or 2nd (Rafa, Rodgers) the drop off was significant

    You could even add Houllier losing 10 games and finishing 5th on 64pts after coming second with 80pts

    Rafa finished 2nd on 86pts, ended up 7th with 63pts the next season

    Rodgers finished 2nd with 84pts, 6th with 62pts the next

    Klopp won on 99pts and got 69pts the following season

    Slot won on 84pts and will likely finish somewhere between 60-65

    It's odd, but we've seen this so many times before. We just can't push on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    It is also true to say we have won the league twice in the last 30 years. That is factual.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    It's as factual as saying we've won it twice in 5 years, which was Slot's line when things were going well:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Yes of course. It really depends on the argument you're trying to make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    It’s one season coming off a league winning season - that’s why I see it all as ott and not “standards dropping”. To me people are talking like it’s been a long run of multiple seasons of poor performances and scraping top 4 rather than a transitional season with a lot of to and fro with players (getting old, lots of ins and outs etc), a major tradegedy, a not very well acknowledged injury crisis (I think it’s at that level).

    I think patience is needed not meltdowns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,407 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Everything needs to be binary these days though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    That patience will be needed whether the club moves on from Slot or not because this team is losing all bar one of the key players that our success was built on over the last decade.

    If you really want to be critical, the club has failed to recruit in a manner that sustains the success that Klopp helped create.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    I don't think anyone expects us to win the title every year, but, we do expect a certain level of performance and effort. Personally I expected us to have a bit of a dip this year due to the Jota tragedy, the turnover of players, and transition to a new formation and style.

    While I expected a slow start to the season, I expected that we would get better as the season went on and that by now we would have a clear formation and style of play, but, the reality is that we has made little to no progress, in fact we have regressed badly.

    We are one of the poorest sides in the league to watch, we struggle to close out any match and have failed to beat sides who were in terrible form before playing us, there really isn't any aspect of the game that we do well. We are 4th mainly due to the incompetence of other teams.

    We have Chelsea up next who are in atrocious form, yet, I can't say with any confidence that we'll beat them. I don't think anyone here is entitled, that's a very easy comment to throw out there, but, we are all frustrated with the way things are going on the field and God knows what's happening behind the scenes.

    Post edited by Girly Gal on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Salah posting a picture in an empty club gym.

    Wonder which European city everyone else is gone off to on their midweek break?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,690 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    Not a pool fan but I find it fascinating to see some people on here defending Isak because he didn't have a pre season. He didn't have a pre season because he threw a strop and downed tools to get his move. To see pool fans accept this despite the money spent on his and use it as an excuse has been mad for me to read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Whatever about Isak, but the club as a whole didn't have a proper pre-season for reasons that are well known.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,727 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    It's not defending. It's a simple fact. Regardless of the reasons around it, he didn't have a preseason. That's likely been the foundation of why he's not been able to stay free from injury for more than 4 consecutive weeks at any point this season.

    Like, whatever anyone thinks of how he arrived, the literal physical condition he's been in are reasonable grounding for his performances. If he gets properly fit, and still doesn't perform, that will be a different issue. That leg break was particularly awful timing… had just started looking a bit sharper when breaking his leg obviously knocked him back to square one.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭brevity


    Poor planning all round really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,638 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    I've been following my teams through the good times and bad but there comes a crunch when you don't have the time/energy you once did. My support of the team didn't falter in the 90s or 00s because I had no expectations but lots of enthusiasm. Now I'm more conscious of who and what I invest in.

    It's not an entitlement when it comes to spending your own money to follow progress. It's hard to continue following multiple teams when they aren't entertaining. You can focus attention on others and just check in. It doesn't mean giving up entirely on the team, it just means that if the team aren't bothered about trying, then I shouldn't be either.

    My other teams like Fiorentina and Getafe aren't great, but at least they try hard. I'd sooner watch them than Slots tactics.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,595 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    I haven't seen anyone defend Isak not having a preseason,but the fact is he didn't have one and it contributed significantly to his fitness issues in the first half of the season. And I remember plenty of posters here not happy with his behaviour and saying we should avoid him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,553 ✭✭✭mosstin


    Your absolute refusal to use paragraphs does my head in. You might be making a relevant point in there but I'm buggered if I'm going to try to read it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Harsh, but, fair, I've broken it up into paragraphs now, so feel free to read it or not!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,310 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    He's supposed to have an 8-10 mill buy out of his contract



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭jones


    Liverpool are a soft touch this season and the biggest indictment of Slot and the manager team for me is that there hasn't been even a sliver of improvement in any aspect of the game as the season has gone on.

    Every team can go through a bad run of form for a variety of reasons but usually you've something you can hold onto... Oh they dug in deep there, great attacking threat just need to shore it up at the back, etc etc the problem with Liverpool is they have given us nothing and there's no sign of any improvement in any facet of the game - mentally, physically, tactically and technically we've been found wanting.

    I hope FSG are planning to replace Slot as soon as the last game of the season is over, he's shown nothing to suggest he can turn this around. Keeping him will set this club back and do lasting damage next season IMO



  • Administrators Posts: 56,565 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think there is a genuine issue that the players are just not bought into Slot at all.

    Which is a problem on two different tracks.

    1. If the club gives him a new deal this summer it will be a very expensive mistake if he doesn't turn it around. And IMO, I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he has any clue how to turn it around.
    2. If the club doesn't give him a new deal, the issue with players not buying in is only going to get worse. They aren't going to rally behind a lame duck manager.

    The most logical outcome this summer is a thank you and goodbye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,655 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Ridiculous that anyone thinks that FSG might give Slot another year without extending his contract..

    There are only two options - Contract extended or sacked. There is no middle option.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Libertine07


    The problem is that Hughes and Edwards are seeing out the last year of their contracts too. Very likely the three of them all go in summer 2027 and the new team brings in their own coach.

    It's absolute madness but I can see it happen.



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