Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

Oh no, I'm well aware of who owns them and indeed their desperate attempts to ingratiate themselves with him. But that's part of the problem. We see it in Britain too, where Nigel Farage's £5 million 'gift' from a crypto-billionaire has barely been mentioned except in the Guardian.

Oh right that was probably the idea of wheeling out the likes of Cheney. I had the idea they were appealing to traditional centrist Republicans notionally repelled by Trump's trashing of the military etc. but Democrat strategists would obviously know better than me if that was a worthwhile exercise. This was a real thing at elite level

Several Republicans endorsed Harris at the Democratic National Convention in August, while a group of more than 200 who worked for former Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, as well as Sen. Mitt Romney and the late Sen. John McCain signed onto a letter supporting the Democratic nominee.

but I never saw much sign it was happening on the ground…

I like Liz Cheney.She was one of the only Republicans to take a stand against Trump's defilement of the Capitol and join the investigative committtee for Jan6 as a Republican.

She was articulate but was talking to a brick wall.

Not yet, if Trump succeeds in the 2028 election then we are.

The other issue is that people like Cheney were all for screwing over the majority of the American public again and again and again since Reagan. They built the foundations of the modern American state. They own this.

Glad to hear that, I don't watch it myself. However, overall it's got very little media coverage, particularly given that there's an election on Thursday in which Reform are vying to be the main party in England and Wales.

Not quite, but the direction and speed of travel is frightening.

Don't have a ref. to hand but I have read articles arguing the US has become a hybrid regime/corrupt or managed democracy at this point, and that in this period Trump and the GOP have taken state of democracy there to about the point that Erdogan and Orbán brought Turkey and Hungary eventually, but they only needed 1-1.5 years to achieve it. It is longer if you also count the 1st term but still quite rapid vs those 2 examples.

As we saw with Hungary recently it is still very possible for these sorts of authoritarian movements to be kicked out of power, depending on factors like desire of the people to stand up to it, willingness of the regime to go full-on dictatorship and rig or do away with elections + use oppression and violence against opponents to keep power etc.

Imagine if that was Starmer. The Daily Mail would have it as their top story for weeks.

Related to Trump, the top story in the Daily Mail today is the slashing of flights due to the fuel crisis. The comments are denouncing the Iranians and calling for their obliteration. Those comments don’t do my blood pressure any good

The really messed up thing is that my friends used to ridicule me when I predicted Brexit, Russia and Trump 2016. Much as I despise the publication, the DM and their comments often give a feel for the mood music and the direction it is heading. I remember universal condemnation of Trump prior to him losing 2020…..

It’s about 30 sec in.

I was just thinking last night, another person, or group of people who were to gain from DJT winning are the tech bros Musk and Zuckerberg, who were sat in the front row at the inauguration. Between the two of them they own X, Facebook and Instagram. So, no need for Putin using GRU hackers to flood social media with bots when the people in charge are already pro-Trump. Mark Zuckerberg can write a bot in about ten lines of Perl and run it on actual Facebook servers.

So between pro-Trump posts on Facebook and X, the suppression of anti-Trump posts, some voter suppression in Blue states, an election could be stolen without any crimes actually being committed. It's an interesting thought exercise.

Presumeably those projections were created before a certain individual plummeted the world into an international fuel crisis.

I was thinking of going to the US for a certain event last year but then the ICE killings happened(or started) and someone said to me, "Would you be happy wandering around the US with your funny accent?" Actually my accent is fairly neutral, but I took the point. An ICE officer asks me for my green card, I start to say I dont have a green card and before I can explain I'm there for 4 days I find myself in a detention centre.

So, no, the US is an unattractive destination for me right now. I imagine I'm not the only one feeling this way.

Have you a link for that?

I read a good few months back that there were statistical inquiries into the results and as to whether there were patterns indicating likely tampering.

But I have heard nothing since and it seems possible that not enough has shown up to indicate tampering.

Maybe ,as the other poster suggested it might be best to post in the Conspiracy Subforum since ,if there is anything to it at all it would surely deserve its own thread -and in this case probably quite a lot of attention to detail.

With this gang of crooks anything is possible .I am personally disappointed that every vote does not have both a digital and a paper trail .

It seems the height of irresponsibility.