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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Blyton was enormously influential in her time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭BettyS


    He recently tweeted that Ireland is anti-semitic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'd no idea who he was until recently. This is always the first place my mind goes when the name comes up:

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Actually he stated in an interview, Ireland was one of the most violently anti-semitic country in europe, which is an even bigger lie. I guess if he want to attract the American Right wing to his cause he has to play the part.

    Its an insult to Irish people, some of whom support him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,962 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Clearly he sees his future trying to appeal to wankers in the US/Israel, so he's going to be leaning hard into certain talking points irrespective of how nonsensical or untrue they are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yeah, that stinks. I suppose he can only take the trans thing only so far.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,091 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    guess if he want to attract the American Right wing 

    That’s exactly what he wants to do.

    He’s desperate to be relevant and obviously doesn’t care how he does it.

    It’s a recurring theme on boards that any time the trans issue comes up, the heroes of the anti-trans movement are always truly awful people, and posters here continue to defend them no matter what, because hating trannies trumps everything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,922 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    oh really? Christ, he was a like a bad smell that kept turning up in 90s films I was watching as a kid.

    Most egregious was being a massive 2000AD/Judge Dredd fan, incredibly excited for the film's release in 1995 and guess who turns out to be Dredds 'goofy' side kick?

    Folks say the film flopped with Dredd taking off his helmet but I will contest it flopped the moment Schneider weaseled onto the screen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I honestly thought for most of my life that he was the guy from Jaws who has a very similar name.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    That's Roy Scheider, he was incredibly talented meanwhile the other is Deuce Bigalow. Maga crowd has an odd assortment of terrible comedy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's a movement based on rolling America back decades. Makes sense for washed up has-beens to be drawn to it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Wow, you actually responded to a comment. It's not quite answering a question (you do ignore those a lot) but it's a step in the right direction. Why would I have a problem with an accurate observation about the way you and others like you downplay someone's achievements when you take issue with them?

    And no, your point doesn't still stand - because you didn't MAKE a point. There is zero evidence that Linehan doesn't support women - you just keep making that up. Why aren't you always posting about women's issues? You must not support women!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    She didn't come up in the Google AI search I did, nor in the Wikipedia list. I was surprised at that and I accept the results of the search you posted, which don't invalidate my musings at all. Do you have any examples of Blyton's achievements being denigrated or downplayed by people who didn't share her opinions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Absolutely, I think my earlier post said exactly that. She was the JK Rowling of her time. I read every Blyton book I could get my hands on as a kid. I think some of her views might get her cancelled nowadays though☺️.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    According to her Wiki page Blyton has sold over 600 million books and been translated into 90 languages. Of course this was over a longer time span.

    Don't trust Google.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Cheers, as I said I was surprised, I definitely shouldn't have trusted AI. I think I may have just googled most successful authors. Either way it's moot as I wasn't disputing or downplaying her success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Someone else claimed that Linehan supports women but can't back that up. I've tried looking and all he has to say on the subject is his usual hatred of trans people.

    It's not my claim so the onus to prove anything is not on me.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Then you clearly don't support women either, according to your standards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Either. You accept that Linehan doesn't care about women then. Nice to find some common ground.

    I think we can leave it there.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    The spite just oozes. It's all you and others have though - well that and dishonesty. Nope, won't leave it there. How arrogant to decide when "we" can leave it there.

    You keep saying that Linehan doesn't care about women and girls and that he just hates trans people. This is yet another dishonesty tactic that the politically fanatical (of any persuasion) resort to when it's inconvenient for them to acknowledge truths, and it's more a reflection of their own biases. The feeble reasoning given to explain how Linehan doesn't care about women and girls is: he doesn't talk about other issues facing women and girls. Even worse: he hasn't talked about abortion for eight years (despite campaigning for it, and his own wife at the time going through it). Now of course if not talking about issues for women and girls REALLY was the reason for not caring a jot about women and girls, then most of us must not care about women and girls since we don't talk about such matters unless brought up. Because the thing is: we live in a society where the vast majority KNOW abuse of women and girls is wrong. We're not living in Afghanistan or Iran.

    If Lenihan wasn't someone who is disapproved of by the left-wing equivalent of Trump lovers (equally hate-filled, equally lacking empathy, cruel and vindictive, sociopathic/psychopathic/narcissistic, dishonest - and similarly misogynistic too if the woman says something they don't like; Roisin Murphy is now naturally being called a hag by the kindness gang), nobody would say "good comedy writer but he doesn't care about women and girls because he doesn't talk about issues facing them" but because he has voiced correctly that you can't just pretend biological sex is inconsequential, the pretence - based on literally nothing - that he doesn't care about women and girls is resorted to, by people who also don't talk about matters concerning women and girls. They tend to be (rightly) opposed to the slaughter in Gaza - yet they use IDF apologist tactic 101: pretend people are something they're not, because they don't mention other stuff. Ironically, unhinged TRAs and IDF apologists are amazingly similar in their approaches, if not political views.

    I think Linehan has gone too far, he's being a right prick now - towards genuine trans people, and in relation to Israel, and in general, but he originally was concerned about the ramifications for women and girls when the nonsense that gender can supercede sex came into being (notice he didn't care before that if people were trans) and while ideologically enslaved men can wave away concerns about women's toilets, changing rooms, prisons (with regard to blokes just declaring they're women, not genuine transwomen) and sports where male bodied people obviously have an advantage, and healthy breast tissue being cut off the bodies of distressed young women... these are valid concerns for women and girls. And everyone knows they are, even if they're too pigheaded and ideologically entrenched to admit it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


     which don't invalidate my musings at all.

    Of course it does, you were upset because people were being factual. Then you went on to disprove your own claim (with a little help).

    Do you have any examples of Blyton's achievements being denigrated or downplayed by people who didn't share her opinions?

    Huh? Calling Rowling a children's author is not down playing anything, it's exactly what she is.

    And exactly what she is described as by her own management team.

    You are having a bit of mare on here to be fair.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    It's amazing how the argument is always phrased and reminds me of how people reacted when the church was so powerful in Ireland.

    Saying it's not fair or safe to allow males compete in women's sports is anti trans, when it's actually pro women's rights.

    Saying you shouldn't be putting males, especially those convicted of sexual assault or rape, into a women's prison is anti trans, when it's actually pro women's rights.

    Saying women shouldn't have to undress in a women's changing room in front of a male with a penis is anti trans, when it's actually pro women's rights.

    Saying a women's rape crisis centre should be run for the benefit of it's service user and not for the benefit of a male CEO is anti trans, when it's actually pro women's rights.

    By the same argument anyone who's pro trans rights is anti women's rights and the pro trans movement is the biggest misogynistic movement around as it's so very openly anti women's rights.

    Graham is a very unsympathetic character here as he does a lot of stupid and nasty stuff but this is his core argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭greyday


    Robert Galbraith writes anything but children’s books, Very good ones too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    That's a really well expressed and balanced post. You're not wrong about the arrogance either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,091 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Well, when I noticed your post I was waiting for a flight to Malaga, so unless you count passage through security checks taking 10 min instead of the usual 5 as a bit of a mare, I wasn't having a bit of a mare, not even the tip of a tail of a mare😀. I have noticed a pattern of projection in your posting however, and given that in the past week or two you've been all over various threads demonstrating an incapacity or unwillingness to engage with the substance of the arguments, a total inability to lay out a clear position and arguments to support that position, and a tendency to misrepresent the posts of others when you feel that's helpful to your case, and given the fact that several posters have called you out for this behaviour, I'll go out on a limb and say it's you that's having a complete mare.

    Let me try to deal with the Enid Blyton thing once and for all: a few posters picked up on my posts so I obviously wasn't laser focussed in what I said. Boggles, you and I could argue until the end of time over whether Blyton or Rowling was the more successful writer - we'd first have to agree on what standards we were going to judge by - but the end result would be that one of them would be agreed to be staggeringly successful, and the other just a teeny tiny bit less successful. The post I was referring to didn't actually mention Rowling at all - it was clear to readers who was being referred to, but the phrase "a writer of children's books" was clearly meant as a substitute for "a person of no consequence". It would be like referring to Rory McIllroy in a similar context but not mentioning his name, and calling him a hitter of golf balls. My point would still hold true if instead of 600 million books, Rowling had only managed to sell 50 million. It would still be a level of success most people could only dream of, and not acknowledging that because the person holds opinions you disagree with is mean spirited in the extreme.

    I don't tend to get upset about people saying things that are true - I see you ignored the post where I said I wasn't upset, so you are either choosing to misinterpret my posts or implying that I'm a liar, both pretty underhanded tactics. FWIW I find it ironic and amusing when people call out bad behaviour in others while simultaneously displaying their own petty minded begrudgery.

    I've said in the past I like to keep things literal, but regarding the Blyton thing I fear you might literally be taking my posts too literally😁.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    but the phrase "a writer of children's books" was clearly meant as a substitute for "a person of no consequence". It would be like referring to Rory McIllroy in a similar context but not mentioning his name, and calling him a hitter of golf balls. 

    Absolute nonsense. One is a golfer the other is a writer. It's not complicated.

    Strange hill to die on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Your signature is something from the 5th or 6th century.

    Yet your cut off limit for Graham is 8 years?

    That's a bit bizarre, no?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think this is fair enough. Posters were praising Enid Blyton as influential and successful , so there was no slight to her reputation or an insult by referring to her as a childrens book writer, the same for Jk Rowling (who is way more known for her childrens books). It wouldnt be an insult to refer to Graham Linehan as a comedy writer.



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