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2026 Irish EV Sales

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Megastreisand


    I would completely agree with this. In our case we were seriously considering an Alfa Giulia veloce 6 years ago but by pure chance took a test drive in a 330e and were instantly hooked. When the time came to change it 3 years on we were ready to go full ev. It's why I think now at this point - to paraphrase the late Seamus Mallon- that phevs are just bevs for slow learners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    41% VRT isn't high?? Most countries don't even have VRT. The UK is transitioning to EV's without VRT. Why can't we do that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭sk8board


    everything you say is correct, however the point being argued was this line of “people not buying an EV in today’s wartime environment need their head examined”.

    We have 3% national fleet penetration, which is positive of course, but the overwhelming majority of car-buying decisions happen in the 2nd hand market, where there are very few EVs on offer.

    Just 4% of 86,000 DD cars are EVs (4000), but if you can only afford a car that’s 10+ years old, there are 29,000 cars on DD and just 74 EVs.

    TLDR: we’re still a few years away from thinking that people are mad to not buy an EV, unless you’re someone that an EV would suit and who is shopping for a new car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    New model EVs are a much easier sell than older EV due to range and charging etc. So when comparing adoption rates is going to be lot easier now then the last 10yrs when Norway did it. So faster adoption is going to be more likely going forward.

    Just a thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Does it really matter ? The number of cars which do negligible mileage is likely statistically insignificant.

    We do low mileage and have second older car that does tiny mileage. Mostly only used at the weekend if the first car is busy and for learner drivers in the family. It's expensive to run, tax (especially) and maintain but it's offset by low fuel usage.

    If someone starts using it more then it will get swapped for something cheaper to run. At the moment there no point in changing it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭creedp



    Unfortunately you can’t magic used EVs out of thin air. The reality is (since Brexit at least) you can’t have a used EV unless a new one has been purchased and sold. It’s the reason why despite almost 100% of new car sales in Norway for some years being EVs they still only make up 30% of the national fleet. It takes time. However, the EV ball is well and truly rolling now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭sk8board


    you have to consider battery degradation too into the second hand buyers market - their daily mileage is the same as the person who buys a new EV, but now it’s 10 years old and does 85-90% of the range it did when new, whereas you old Focus is still knocking out 800km, but costs far more to fuel, and it becomes very hard to change it unless it dies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You don't need to magic used EVs out of mid air.

    EVs have been on sale in Ireland for 15yrs. We've had IDs and Tesla's for 5 years. You could also import them from the UK etc.

    If you want a used EV you've been able to buy one for a long time. The issue is not availability.

    It's consumer confidence. That's been a battle in Ireland against a lot negative reporting, some valid concerns, and it requires a mindset change. Not everyone was ready for that. Hybrids have been a transition or gateway into EVs. It's taken time to work through that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 572 ✭✭✭munsterfan2


    Currently a 3 ev house, 1st was a 2017 leaf 30 bought in 2020, 2nd was a 191 kona bought in 2023 and newest bought this year is a 222 polestar. All had around 50km on them when bought, leaf now at 180k and kona at 150k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,913 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Exactly.

    Newer cars drive more.

    Bet there's loads of older ICEs doing very little mileage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,913 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I live in South Dublin and every second car seems to be an EV.

    That's probably an exaggeration but you get the idea.

    It's obviously a high income area though.

    Anyway it doesn't matter.

    By 2029 EVs will be cheaper than ICEs so the percentage of new cars EV will be over 50%.

    New ICEs will be banned in 2035 also.

    The true metric is the percentage of miles driven by EVs rather than percentage of total fleet.

    I wonder if petrol stations are noticing a drop in revenue but maybe it's offset by a rising population.

    France has a social leasing program for EVs which is a great idea. I emailed a Minister about it but they're not considering it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭sk8board


    EV Supply is not an issue if you can afford it.

    As said above - dondeal has 22,000 cars listed that are over 10 years old, and just 74 of them are EVs. How can you possible say supply isn’t an issue.

    Dont assuming someone who hasn’t got an EV is somehow not clued in to the running costs savings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Cuauhtemoc


    Probably a bit late now but wouldn't it have been an idea to incentivise EV work and lease fleets far more? BIK exemptions or whatever. If they were very favourable you'd eventually have lots of 2nd hand vehicles hitting the market every year or so. I know there were reasonable BIK benefits but I think they changed and EVs were probably much dearer then as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭evftw


    41% for a guzzler is extremely low in my opinion. The VRT levels should be adjusted so that the new equivalent ICE is maybe 25% more expensive than similar BEV. That would ensure you don't just go to buy an ICE on auto pilot just because you absolutely need to get a new number plate. There is an abundance of nearly new ICE on the market already, no need to increase the fleet by another few hundreds of thousands between now and 2030 for no good reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    So if you want an EV that's over 10yrs you've a choice of 74 cars. How many do need to pick just one.

    You haven't proved theres none available you've proved they ARE available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Govt has decided the EV market has enough momentum now, so it has no incentive to increase supports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Newer EVs can do more range they will be driven more. As more of them enter the national fleet they will be driven more.

    https://www.racfoundation.org/media-centre/at-least-one-in-twenty-car-miles-driven-is-now-zero-emission



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    We have a load of staff EVs due to the extremely low BIK. And some other staff now buying their own because they see us all getting on so well with them.

    The BIK is set to increase but I dont see people getting out of them at all, its still going to be cheap motoring. We have got people out of diesel cars and small vans and into EVs and in 2 cases gave people EVs in lieu of raises in pay which would have been 52% taxed.

    Companies cannot claim the grant of 3500 however, which is a shame but I just started buying 1 year old examples instead where the grant is already priced in plus a fair whack of depreciation bring the price to a nice sweet spot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Still a long way to go if this is anything to go by:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭JPup


    what does that last category mean? Top 10 Overall Cars Valued?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭creedp


    There are over 600k used cars purchased in Ireland annually. The idea that having 74 older EVs on available Donedeal at any point in time somehow proves that anyone wanting a used EV that suits their needs can have one is slightly farcial



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,913 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    It's early days.

    In a few years there will be loads of 2nd hand EVs for 10 to 15k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭creedp




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,913 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Vw id polo, ioniq 3, Nissan micra, kia ev2 etc all just released this year.

    In a few years they'll be affordable 2nd hand cars.

    Teslas will be affordable also in a couple of years.

    So plenty of choice for everyone.

    I think 2029 will be the year EV sales go over 50% for the year.

    I think even January 2027 will be over 30%, maybe even 35%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,162 ✭✭✭Damien360


    How many will be ex-taxi's ? Pretty much every urban taxi I have seen lately is a EV. They had incentives to scrap their diesel car for a new EV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,913 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    They used to be all hybrids before.

    Haven't gotten a taxi in years.

    Apparently lots of company cars are EVs since 22/23 and they'll be coming to market soon with the leases finishing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭creedp


    Plenty of choice no doubt but still a few years before there will be be sufficient used EVs on the market to match the total volume of annual used car purchases.

    In reality there has been approx 100k new EVs sold in Ireland since 2014. Even if every single one of them hit the used car market in 2026, it would only cover a fraction of the used car market demand for the year. I have 3 of them, one is crocked and the other 2 won’t be available on the used car market for a few years yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    The UK are transitioning to EV's without the use of VRT. What makes you think we can't do the same?

    Also, why do people care so much what kind of fuel goes into a strangers car? Are you's just environmentalists? And do you's really think the fuel source of cars in Ireland will make any difference to the global environment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    I care because we have to breathe the shite that comes out the back end.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭evftw


    No, but definitely would make it better for the second hand buyers in coming years to have more EVs to choose from.



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