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That Trump thread is a joke (IMHO)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    The shocking part is the one way modding.

    Nobody the mods agree with are getting culminating 6 months bans.

    Its shocking that this is a shock to some.

    Then its also a shock when some are shocked by reduced traffic to the site.

    That'll be a natural result of blocking alternative opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,379 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Calling someone Helen Lovejoy is an alternative opinion?

    Again it seems "alternative opinions" for Trumpers are just memes and insults - yet its the moderation to blame - not their own inability to contribute properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    The fact you think thats proof of anything is rediculous.

    Ok i responded to someone questioning the helen lovejoy comment and explained my reason for said comment and in that explanation i mentioned helen lovejoy again.

    You got me, my criminal mastermind has been exposed.

    No response to the sketchy comprehension being in reply to a direct attack on my intelligence, no?

    Didnt fit your narrative, no? Its not like i was posting helen lovejoy, helen lovejoy, helen lovejoy like some deranged parrot.

    Now i said i was out earlier but responded again.

    God dammit why cant i keep my stories straight!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    No my alternative opinion was stating some of Trump's antics make me laugh.

    This was then jumped on by another poster as being an admission that i find children being bombed funny.

    Then i was called dumb by another poster and in my response to that attack trying to defend myself said i called the first poster helen lovejoy.

    As stated many times, neither of the other posters were banned. And the one calling me dumb is constantly attacking posters and does so with free reign.

    Pretty sure theyre a mod themselves or have been one.

    Colour me not shocked there. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Why can't I make false claims about moderation and be allowed to do it unchallenged! ~
    Must be biased modding. Must be an echo chamber.

    You made false claims about the thread. You could have put your hand up and owned it but no, instead off you go into nonsense (deranged parrot?) that just further discredits your position here. If you don't want your easily discredited claims about the thread to be discredited, don't make such claims.

    If you think your intelligence was directly attacked you should have reported it. The poster who made it could argue it is not a direct attack because they attacked your post. That's a grey area for the mods to assess.
    But based on all previous moderation on CA and across boards, your post attacked the posters not the post. Nobody forced you to do that, you could have ignored the remark, you could have reported it, you could have responded in such a way as to rebut their attack on your post and clarify your position. Instead out came the "handbags" to use your phrase.

    I can easily see why, on a forum like CA, such conduct would end up attracting repeated mod sanction when posters on the thread challenge you for similar.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    If i ever felt the urge to report a boards post i know id have reached my lowest ebb.

    I have made no false claims. I called the poster helen lovejoy once. I explained why in another post.

    I only said it after my intelligence was attacked.

    We are not going to see eye to eye here.

    I think its blindingly obvious that there is biased modding across boards.

    I would be shocked if there was a boards mod who was not centre left in all their leanings and im loathe to use those terms but we are where we are.

    Its human nature to be biased so i dont blame the mods. But with no diversity in their views then ultimately an echo chamber is what you will get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 GreatDryingOut


    As a new returning poster who was a member on here donkeys years ago it's very sad seeing the lack of balanced opinion allowed anymore.. How is any discussion site meant to flourish when one side of an argument isnt permitted?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Memes, wind ups and trolling are not a "side of an argument".



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,403 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    What argument are you referring to here?

    What opinion is not allowed to be said?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    How is any discussion site meant to flourish when one side of an argument isnt permitted?

    This is misrepresenting reality. Posters are always able to discuss the topic, no matter whether they are pro-Trump or not.

    The issue tends to be that most of those who appear to support Trump post in a somewhat disingenuous manner. There is no actual attempt to engage in a discussion, no attempt to disprove allegations against Trump. When challenged, they cry foul playing the victimised card.

    That said, this behaviour is not displayed by all pro-Trump posters. I am mindful of one who posted a few minutes ago with a coherent post (as all of their posts tebd to be). Do I necessarily agree with them? Not usually, but I do respect their right to post it.

    It may be similar to the political humour thread. There tended ro be a distinct difference between the images against Biden and Harris and it wasn't that I didnt see tge joke. They were often hostile and clearly unfunny but those that posted them felt victimised when they were challenged and removed.

    As for someone discussing me, as a mod, on another site, I obviously cant stop you but it would have been nice had you actually engaged with me to discuss whatever issue you may have!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


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    FFS. 🙄

    And right there is the problem with the, so called, "other side of the argument".

    It's full of (re-reg)trolls and dickheads who's only interest is a wind up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,594 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    From what I recall you were one of the main posters on the political humour thread and the vast majority of the content you posted was about Trump and in a derogatory manner.

    As the moderator of the Politics forum I would expect your views to be objective and middle of the road.

    In fact the vast majority of the content on the thread was about Trump and anti Trump.

    It was only when posters started posting content about Biden, Harris and the Democrates that it became hostile and posters started openly abusing other posters on the thread.

    It was a non chat thread but this was being abused by one side, no prizes for guessing which side that was.

    I could say the posts you and others posted on the thread were clearly unfunny, humour is subjective after all.

    Some were funny but most werent, the thread was being used as a coping method for some extremely angry posters.

    The thread was eventually closed after a vile adhominem attack by a moderator on another poster.

    Again no points for guessing which side of the political spectrum this attack came from.

    The fact that the thread was closed a week or two before the US Presidential Election when the writing was on the wall and it was looking like Trump would be victorious was no surprise.

    Good to dish it out but not take it.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I may have posted lots on that thread but what I posted was actually humorous. What you and others posted often was not funny but was hateful or hurtful. You clearly dont seem to understand the difference.

    That I'm a mod non a different forum does not have anything to do with the discussion despite what you may think. I abide by the rules and for this reason do not get sanctioned. I also engage in discussion and when people challenge my posts, I don't immediately cry foul to the forum mods. I am adult enough to be able to justify my stance with evidence. That said, i have been proven wrong in the past and am able to stand up and admit it. It is all part of engaging in a discussion.

    What is most bizarre is that you're proving in this thread that you can discuss a topic. Why do you persistently not do so in the Trump thread?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Any unsubstantiated claim can be made about why a thread was shutdown. If this is the Political Satire thread you are referring to the only claim in your long list that can be proven was that it was closed before the last election, there is no evidence there of why it was closed.

    The common factor in your argument is that the fault is always with posters on the other side of the political spectrum to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,594 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Who are you to say that what you posted was actually humorous. Or what I and others posted was not funny but was hateful or hurtful.

    Humour is subjective. Perhaps you thought your posts were funny but many others did not.

    Who are you to say "you clearly dont seem to understand the difference".

    That thread was an echo chamber of hate for a long long time, its only when satire from the other side of the spectrum was posted that it was shutdown.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,403 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Why is it always the right wing trump supporters who cry about their feelings being hurt??



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    They had as much humour in them as Trump doing his impression of a disabled person. It is not funny and it is intentionally in bad taste - there's no ifs or buts!!!

    As for it being an "echo chamber of hate", it really wasn't but as you were one of the main contributors of what most would deem hateful and hurtful, this may help explain why you consider regular humour to be in poor taste.

    Regardless and getting back on topic, you are actively engaging here now, discussing the topic and coherently putting forward your viewpoints. Why then have you AFAIK not done so once in the Trump thread when other "pro-Trump" posters frequently do so?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,594 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    What is most bizarre is that you're proving in this thread that you can discuss a topic. Why do you persistently not do so in the Trump thread?

    I always try to discuss a topic but its largely impossible to do so in the Trump thread.

    I get piled on and abused. Sealioned, baited, trolled, and insulted. Dragged off on a different topic.

    I have alot of that thread on Ignore, so I rarely if ever read their posts. They have proven over a large period of time that they are not posting in good faith or are incapable of discussion.

    All they want to do is abuse "Trump Supporters" and they have gamed the system.

    Its a no win for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Its not. Both cheeks of the same ar$e pi$$ and moan.

    But boards is moderated by the left ar$e cheek so its heavily skewing the stats.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,403 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I think it's more like posters with intolerant views don't like that their views are not tolerated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,594 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Thats your subjective opinion. Humour is subjective.

    What you may find unfunny and in bad taste others may find funny.

    "Regular Humour", it was the Political Satire thread, Satire isnt regular humour per say.

    The moderator even criticised the content of the thread, the vast majority of which was left wing humour.

    Why then have you AFAIK not done so once in the Trump thread when other "pro-Trump" posters frequently do so?

    Why should I even respond to such a blatantly false and inflammatory statement.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    To be fair, your recent addition to the thread was to pull someone up on claiming he was a rapist because he was civilly found to have sexually assaulted the victim (which rhe judge said would have been rape in any other jurisdiction).

    You then claimed that you didn’t believe the victim was sexually assaulted.

    Honestly, to the majority of people, thise two comments are absolutely disgusting and most people would have the cop-on to consider them best left unsaid. That you posted them and see nothing wrong with them reflects really really poorly on you.

    That posters picked you up on those two points is entirely predictable. But you weren't abused to my recollection. You just didn't like that people considered that your viewpoint on thiese two points was absolutely vile!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    In my case i can assure you all i want is fair and balanced moderating.

    Either no moderating (my preference) as the ignore button is essentially an AI moderator.

    Or balanced moderating. The current moderating is basically groupthink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Humour is subjective

    Racist and sexist content is still racist and sexist even if people claim it is meant to be hunourous.

    The vast majority of the content on the thread was left wing? Was it? Another vague claim backed up by nothing.

    If CA mods are thinking of allowing a political satire thread it would be good for them to check in with the non CA mods of previous one as to why they closed it. And if is a big if. In the absense of that it is a dead end discussion here.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,379 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Wahey we are back to "pile on".

    Its not a pile on when an edgelord opinion is the minority FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,594 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Except that wasnt what actually happened.

    A poster said "Wish she had the stones to correct him that he was, in fact, found guilty of rape."

    Which is not true.

    He was found liable of sexual assault not rape in a civil case not a criminal one.

    That was the poster I "pulled up"

    Another poster even clarified this, is his viewpoint vile ??

    As for me not believing her version of events I am entitled to have that belief, it was a civil not criminal case where 51% certainty is the threshold not 90-95% like a criminal case.

    It was well outside the statute of limitations and only allowed due to a temporary law that opened a one-year "look-back window" for victims to file civil suits.

    51% certainty in one of the bluest states in the country, with a Clinton appointed judge, against a politically charged landscape and her story is a plotline straight out of an episode of Law and Order…

    I could outline in detail why I dont believe her version of what happened but it would be derailing this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    The memes are all posted by the ranting anti Trump brigade and in quite some volume too.

    And any poster that has an opinion that the echo chamber doesnt like is dog piled, mass reported and labelled with vile insults.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    Anyone sane who reads that thread can clearly see its a mad house of anti Trump nuts foaming at the mouth morning, noon and night.

    Even your attempt to derail this thread is a strong confirmation of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "Anti Trump nuts foaming at the mouth"

    You used similar language on the thread.

    "Anyone sane" (your phrase) would accept their sanction and move on. But nope its all a mod conspiracy against you! It is a position completely disconnected from facts, logic and evidence.

    With every post here you are just proving how you are unable to discuss a topic within the rules in CA and repeatedly got legitimately sanctioned for it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The political satire thread descended into homophobia and misogyny.

    A lot of the "other" humour was just a caricature with buzzwords thrown around the background.

    I can see why it was closed (and the satire can be posted on the specific thread), but just banning homophobia and misogyny would have improved it 100%, some people will find the second joke clever and funny and that's OK:

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