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Dublin Central By-election

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭thenuisance


    This seat is going to go left for sure. There's an SF 'left' vote of 20-odd percent, an 'other left' vote of 40 odd percent , a 'centre' vote of 20 odd percent and a 'right' vote of around 15%.

    The question will be who on the left gets their nose in front to accumulate the rest of that vote. SF are going to bust a gut to try and get in front and I think that might work in the initial stages. Boylan doesn't have Mary Lou's charisma in the constituency - and in case you are giggling - MLMD is a very different person in that constituency to the one you see in the Dail - I wouldn't have believed it until I saw her action - but personal charisma is not transferrable so I don't think Boylan.

    The SDs think Ennis might do it - he is well known in the constituency and is a councillor. I think he's capable of beating Boylan

    Horners only chance comes from her status as a councillor and a member of the green party. The greens do well at council level but struggled in the last set of elections. I don't think her time is yet.

    Labours ODea is hardly known. Sherlock surprised everybody by pushing through the last time - she struggled to accumulate votes. I don't think ODea can do much but her votes will feed into the other left. I'd agreee with L1011 on her being prepared for a council seat - but not on outpolling both FF and FG - FF possibly.

    Ó Ceannabháin did better than expected last time - he has a strong young following - the problem for him is that he's not an immediate target for voters number 2s. His number 2s went primarily to the SDs last time. A strong vote for him will ultimately help the SDs

    On the right Steenson and Hutch could end up with a combined vote to beat the early left leader but they'll run into the sand. If SF are eliminated before them the SF transfers could help them but only a small proportion will go right. Difficult to see a combined right vote greater than 18% - certainly not enough to win.

    For FF and FG I can't see any joy - the combined FF/FG vote in recent years has hovered around 25-30% - if anything I would expect this to decline. Neither of their candidates are particular inspiring - Macadam has some name recognition but at the moment not neccessarily for the right reasons.

    I haven't seen any indication whether Clare Daly will run. I don't think if she did she would make any impact.

    I think Ennis is the likely winner at this stage. An early elimination of ODea and Horner might help Boylan - there is a pattern of women transferring preferentially to women even against political allegiance but there has also been a strong pattern recently of Labour, Greens and SD transferring to each other before they consider SF. Add in
    Ó Ceannabháin's likely transfers and I think his position looks very good.

    Anyway - we've only just begun as they say



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    I think you will find that such a common phrase in legislation as "ordinarily resident" would be easily understood by a judge. Where such a phrase is not specifically defined for a particular case, it's definition would be extrapolated from similar contexts such your example of "ordinarily resident in the state", if need be.

    I also remember a constitutional case where the judge said something to the effect that words are to be understood in their ordinary meaning, i.e. you can't go off inventing meanings to suit your case, so angels and pinheads come to mind here.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    it's definition would be extrapolated from similar contexts such your example of "ordinarily resident in the state", if need be.

    Being "ordinarily resident" in the State is a tax status that requires three years of residency which, quite clearly, can not be extrapolated to this situation. Irish people are perfectly entitled to "move" multiple times a year without informing the State if they so choose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I'd be very slow to rule out SF just yet. This is Mary Lou's patch and she is an excellent campaigner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Consonata


    For an excellent campaigner, she's not doing much campaigning in Dublin Central



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Consonata




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,646 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    https://dublincityreturningofficer.com/

    What does Hutch consult on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I agree, no sign of SF canvas yet, Only Greens, Soc Dems and Labour so far at my door.

    Government parties aren't going to win but it's about preparing for the next GE.

    I predict a woman will win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Fair enough. She still has a job to do. With the Ard Fheis over I fully expect she'll ramp up her appearences on the stump.

    Whatever about Galway West, she knows she's potentially in hot water if SF don't win this. There's still a lot of time to go in the campaign as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,646 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Well, that reads like he has stopped taking his meds! 🙄
    Is he actually a solicitor?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,646 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Neither Ray McAdam nor Janice Boylan list there home address, some may say for security reasons but everyone else does, its just those 2 don't live in the constituency https://dublincityreturningofficer.com/index.php/dublin-central-bye-election-2026 https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2026/0422/1569620-dublin-central-bye-election/

    https://www.dublininquirer.com/as-campaigns-gear-up-in-central-dublin-how-sound-is-the-voter-register/

    Hutch put down his Clontarf address but spends most of his time in Lanzarote.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    What on earth is Mannix Flynn doing running?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭midlander12


    No one's ruling them out. That would be ridiculous. This is a byelection in the constituency of the leader of the opposition, and the key point is that her party aren't runaway favourites to win. They could and (probably will) still win, and if they don't it would be an absolute disaster both for the party and her personally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    They aren't favourites to win the seat and the candidate wasn't even Mary Lou's preferred choice so I wouldn't say that at all.

    I've seen a lot of framing to the contrary as if Dublin Central is some kind of SF stronghold but they won just 23.3% first preference in that constituency last election which was below their national total so it's currently a below average constituency for them.

    Hard to see a path to victory for them on those numbers when the Social Democrats at the very least will out-transfer them. It's also not like Janice Boylan has a strong personal vote considering she had only 3.8% of the vote last election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I agree with you, though 23% should still make them favourites to win in a very fragmented constituency. But isn't the situation you outline remarkable in itself? The ultimate (mostly) inner-city, working-class constituency, with the leader of the supposedly 'left' opposition a local TD, yet they're not even favourites to win it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Dublin Central is quite diverse. There are parts of it that should be SF-friendly but other parts wouldn't be at all.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Boylan doesn't get elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I just watched TWIP. I’m not from the D1 constituency so am only speaking as an observer. I can only comment on the panel on the TV.
    The FG candidate came across to me as bombastic. I found Him very unappealing. Same goes for The SF candidate.
    The Labour candidate impressed me & She conducted Herself well.

    But overall, the SD candidate won hands down.

    EDIT: Sorry the constituency is more than D1, I should rather have said the ‘Constituency’.

    Post edited by WishUWereHere on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,922 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ennis did very well. Odds on fav too. I think he could be an excellent TD.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Got canvased by the Aontú candidate yesterday, still no sign of SF.

    BTW I don't live in D1 and neither do most Dublin Central voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    She ( according to herself ) was 3 hours on Her Mum’s stall on Moore Street yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I'm not going to tell her how to run her campaign, if she appears at my door I will report it happened here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭Good loser


    I also watched it - not very carefully I admit - and I thought the FG candidate well ahead of the others, with the Labour candidate second. Not impressed by the SD guy - a plodder, very pedestrian and pretty inarticulate. Imagine rents on Corpn tenanted houses weren't increased for 30 ears? And incredibly d SF and SD's objected!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Just finished watching TWIP on the Player.

    The four panellists did a reasonably good job in communicating their message. Boylan and Ennis were 'the real Dubs' McAdam was good with the hands and did a fair impression of Paschal D, Ruth O'Dea, who I've met on my doorstep recently, I thought was particularly good in differentiating herself from Boylan and Ennis who I thought could easily have been the SF candidate.

    I think one of the female candidates will win DC and the effect of both bye-elections will be an increase of one on the opposition benches in the Dáil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭GippyGup


    I don't really understand the "one of the female candidates will win". Boylan, O'Dea, and Horner are very different candidates.

    The problem for Horner and O'Dea is that it is likely both of them will be behind Ennis on first preferences and won't have any major transfer advantage to catch him.

    It's Boylan v Ennis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    You think Ennis has a better chance than I do, that's fine. We will find out on the 23rd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭thenuisance


    Possibly bored - he hasn't got much attention recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭thenuisance


    I do agree with Cyclingtourist that the high transfer rates between female candidates regardless of party have been a feature of recent elections but I'm not sure how much it will impact this by-election.

    The Sinn Fein vote is, I think, the key to this. MLMcd attracts votes from people you wouldn't expect to vote SF. She is an excellent local campaigner and I think Boylan's low vote in the last election was a result of a 'save the leader' surge when it became clear that the Hutch campaign was growing legs. SF are good at vote management. However, as things look at the moment, there seems to be an impetus behind Ennis and I still think that the left vote will accumulate around whoever gets in front.

    FF and FG are both running sitting councillors with modest local profiles (McAdam - FG, Lord Mayor; Stephens - FF Deputy Lord Mayor) - neither of them seem particularly outstanding - just typical local councillors - Stephens seems to me to be the weaker of the two - a throwback to the 70's having worked for both Haughey and Colley. MacAdam has a slightly higher profile and I'm sure FG will throw the kitchen sink behind him since they'll view it as 'their' seat but I think the destination of their transfers will be the only influence they'll have on this election. If Governmental transfers are working Stephens transfers will go to McAdam leaving maybe 20% of the overall vote with him. In the last few elections the combined FF/FG FP vote has been around 25%. I think McAdam will have enough to avoid being eliminated before Hutch.

    Ennis could also be a likely home for the FG and FF votes if either or both of their candidates are eliminated - certainly these will not be votes that go to SF - so even if Boylan is ahead of Ennis I think he could pull ahead of her - particularly if both FF and FG are eliminated before the final count.

    Hutch isn't that visible at the moment but this happened at the General Election as well. I can see Hutch and Steenson getting roughly the same combined pecentage as before (15%) which won't be enough to elect either of them but in this case the transfers will come in to play. Hutch took their accumulated votes to the last count so we didn't get to see a transfer occur. The common belief at the time was that Hutch took SF votes and the numbers did suggest that - the question is whether those votes will go back to SF as transfers - if they do that could be good news for Boylan.

    The other right Aontu etc will probably only improve their positions at the expense of Hutch and Steenson. The combined right took 18% in the general election I don't see that changing much.

    The other Left took 22% at the last election (although I'm not sure Clare Daly should be included in that). I think that block is more inclined to the SDs than SF. Ó Ceannabháins votes transferred to Labour last time but I think Ó Ceannabháin might outlast O'Dea - although his campaign posters are pretty poor.

    As I see it at the moment I'd put Boylan and Ennis out in front with McAdam behind them - I think Stephens is the weakest government candidate. Hutch will probably represent the right but will be behind McAdam.

    I think the final result will be close between Boylan and Ennis - as usual transfers and order of elimination will decide the winner. Somebody could well make an eejit of themselves before the vote but I have Ennis to shade it for two reasons - 1) the SDs are more transfer-friendly than SF 2) the SF electoral machine has , for some reason, been stuttering recently. Still more than a fortnight to go - and a fortnight is longer than a week in politics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The turn out will also play a part. I'd expect it to be down on 2024.

    McDonald and Donoghue were both high profile candidates in 2024 and Gannon has a local following but not sure it will work so well for Ennis. The Greens haven't got a sitting TD and those reluctant to give SF, Lab or SD a second seat may plump for Horner.



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