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Orange is the new Burke

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    I think there's reasonable grounds to suspect that one of their sources of funding, if not their main source of funding, is far-right fundamentalist evangelical groups in the US. If that's true then they shouldn't have much trouble finding a "sponsor" who'll vouch for them, nor a source of further funding. Unless they've gone too far over the crazy-line for those groups, of course, which is also possible.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,363 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Sitting the bar isn't terribly expensive and they have shown themselves quite adept at studying so that side is very doable for them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,825 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Why would they want to go to America though? They have a media presence (for what's it worth) and a notoriety here that they wouldn't be able to match in the states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,604 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Would have thought the UAE was more their bag. Totalitarianism seems to be the MO. Maybe N Korea would have them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,196 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭youtheman


    The leader of that 'herd' is definitely Mammy!. And she' a bit long in the tooth to be upping sticks and moving to the U.S. Will be interested to see how they manage when she eventually has to relinquish her title!.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 13,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    Another day, another failed court appearance

    Enoch Burke to remain in prison after he refuses to purge contempt of court once again https://jrnl.ie/7031366



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,095 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The Burkes are Irish people and citizens, they are well within their rights to remain forever in Ireland.

    What its not within their rights to do is continue to protest that the constitution of the state and laws of the land do not apply to them.

    If that results in every family member locked up in cell for the rest of their natural lives, so be it.

    Its entirely up to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,604 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Surely let him out for the summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,155 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Why? It'll cost court time and money to put him back in in September when he returns, because he will.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,213 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    no because it just holds the circus until September when he gets the publicity he wants once again. Leave him where he is if that’s what he has chosen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Didn't Judge Cregan say that once the DAP is finished that the court order expires as he would have no legal reason to attend?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    what next here? He has some appeal in the COA. The DAP is never gonna happen again I’d say.

    Is there a route to Workplace Relations now? Is everyone entitled to a hearing there or can they knock it back after reviewing the facts of the case?
    I presume the Department is still paying Enoch and the Court is garnishing his wages for the fines still too

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Agreed. He was let out several times before due to Summer/Christmas holidays in the school, and each time as school was back he was right there at the gates again.

    He was given the chance again, to purge his contempt, agree to not go to the school, and he could be released, and he choose not to. He did so knowing that meant staying in jail. So he should stay in jail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    As I said before, it's probably exactly where he wants to be, and gives him the opportunity to playact at being the victim. A token objection, just to put a veneer on it, is probably the most that anyone will get out of him going forward, but otherwise he'll cheerfully go back to jail every time.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,095 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No. Those days are gone.

    When you thumb your nose at the Courts again and again, niceties like that come to an end.

    He's in prison until he purges his contempt, by undertaking to observe the rulings of the various Judges and to not trespass on any part of the premises of Wilsons Hospital School.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The DAP has met, question is whether they'll be able to release their decision or be blocked by another spurious appeal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,588 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'd imagine that the DAP would, at least, inform both parties of it's decision at the same time [that is, if it would not be down to the Dept of Education to publish it] and it would take some time, if the release of the decision was outside normal court hours, for the Burkes to get an order preventing publication while applying for an appeal hearing, leaving the school free to publish it's response to the DAP decision and EB's future. The school would not, in the meantime, be required to hold back on revealing its response to the DAP ruling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭adaminho


    There would be no official release of findings. It would be in the form of a letter outlining to him the outcome of the DAP. The injunction was obtained the last time as they want to have a follow up meeting to which he objected to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,825 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Presumably if this happens and he goes back to the school it becomes a much simpler issue - school rings 999 because there's a trespasser and he's done for criminal behaviour then - no more unfair reliance on the school having to bring court cases?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Yes, Judge Cregan said as much. Once the DAP give their decision the court order becomes moot as he either works there or his dismissal is upheld. It then becomes criminal trespass with defined punishment and a record if he does turn up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Cannot. F*cking. Wait.

    The entire thing becomes so much simpler once this is done. As you say, if he trespasses then, actual criminal charge with defined punishments/processes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭adaminho


    And the best thing about it is there will be no special exemptions made for him. He'll be in general population, wherever they decide to send him with no single cell and no option to go home for the holidays or saying sorry. It'll hopefully shut up all those who try claim he's a political prisoner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭scottser


    Does anyone know when the DAP is going to announce their findings?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That would be the case , but the School would then apply for (and get) a restraining order barring him from attending the school.

    Then he'd be held criminally liable if he turned up a refused to leave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,062 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    He’d just turn up outside the gate.

    Then a new court order restraining from going within a Km of the school.
    Then start all over again.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    But each time he gets a criminal conviction with escalating penalties.

    He gets arrested and denied bail as he won't refuse to not reoffend and gets to sit on remand for a few months waiting for trial



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Currently, he's being subjected to contempt of court and breach of court orders with regards showing up at the school. But the length of prison time he's currently under is based on on-going contempt of court with no definable end date.

    Once he's dismissed from his position formally, his only possible reasoning for showing up to the school is gone (being still legally employed by the school), which means he's just full trespassing on school grounds. Whether it's on foot of a restraining order by the school or the school just calling the guards, it becomes a criminal matter and it becomes far easier to swiftly proceed with a court case and defined punishments including prison sentence.

    He may then show up at the school again after he's released again, but it's still a far simpler matter to jail him again than it currently is. No more waiting for appeals about his dismissal, challenging rulings, demanding recusals. It's a purely legal/criminal matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    What's the maximum sentence for criminal trespassing out of curiosity? Just wondering what he could be exposed to for repeat offences.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    A bit of googling suggest it's typically 6-12 months , but if it were deemed "forcible entry" or "occupation" (like if he tried a "sit-in" style thing), it could be up to 3 years.



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