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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,728 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    So you're saying that the Jews did it.

    Stop with this infantile attempt to put words in my mouth.

    We are all watching, in detail, various individuals who work for Jewish identified institutions go to extreme efforts to defend Israel's actions in Palestine.

    I refuse to give them a pass in their role in defending genocide just so I can avoid someone accusing me of antisemitism in an effort to get me to shut up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,424 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's what you said. You can pretend otherwise all you want but the mask has slipped.

    I'm not buying the fake concern about genocide either.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,728 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Lol.

    You lost every semblance of credibility your posts ever carried with what you're now resorting to these past few months.

    Accusing someone of fake concern about genocide with the history of posting as I have on the matter on this platform is laughably infantile. Or do you really think several thousands of posts over several years was all some sort of false representation? For what reason would anyone go to such effort? (You should really attempt to answer this question and then consider the answer with respect to your own position on the matter. Seriously)

    That you resort to posting this about me tells me I have interpreted you entirely correctly. Have a good day, Im not particularly interested in debating such content.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    This is the kind of zionist nonsense the media continue to platform. Phillips is a hateful bigot but still she has a regular column in the media and this time Sky decides to invite her and allow her to spew her hatred. Would any of the media platform someone who is a halocaust denier? No and that person would rightfully be charged with hate speech and probably go to jail but Phillips is allowed to spew her hatred with impunity.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You think I somehow have a good opinion of Reform or the Conservatives? At least they don't pretend to be progressive parties though.

    He had also stabbed a Muslim person that morning. Why do you think the media has focused almost entirely in the Jewish angle of the story?

    He stabbed someone he knew who happened to be a Muslim before going on an attempted Jew killing spree. It is quite common for mass killers to start off this way. There is zero doubt that he was targeting Jewish people. I do not understand why people are so desperate to diminish this. It has nothing to do with whether or not Israel are giant ****.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,424 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You're using dead children to score internet points.

    I've no interest in having credibility with people who spend years doing that along with defending racism. All you've done is prove my initial suspicions correct.

    I'm off to enjoy my bank holiday now.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Philips has always been an absolute gowl for as long as I can remember.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,424 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,958 ✭✭✭rock22


    @ancapailldorcha "You're using dead children to score internet points. "

    I really think you have sunk to a new low for this forum, To think I used to think you were a serious poster on the politics forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,308 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    If Thursday’s elections for Holyrood and the Senedd see the SNP and Plaid Cymru be successful, SNP Stephen Flynn said that the UK Labour leader “is not going to be in office come the end of next week”. Speaking on SkyNews he insisted: “You’re telling me that Keir Starmer saying no [to an Indy referendum] means something – Keir Starmer is not going to be in office come the end of next week.”

    oooh



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,008 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Several commentators have picked up on the fact that when the British establishment speak of anti-Semitism, they really mean anti-Zionism i.e. it's not Jewish people in Britain that they are supposedly trying to protect, but the Zionist crowd.

    Many decent Jewish people take part in the Palestinian marches every week but the media don't want to hear from them, only from the ones who openly or tacitly support Netanyahu and his wars. There is a definite narrative being pushed here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,728 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're using dead children to score internet points.

    This is a perfect post of what you've become, or have allowed yourself to reveal to us, only you know which it is.

    I'm discussing dead children so as to highlight the perpetrators of their deaths and to advocate that those doing the killing are stopped.

    You are trying to get me to stop talking about them, so as to protect and absolve those doing the killing.

    Suggesting I have fake concern about genocide while you post as you do doesnt need me to counter your points or break it down for people. It is what it is, everyone can see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,728 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I do not understand why people are so desperate to diminish this.

    Posting this while diminishing the stabbing of a Muslim in the same post is an incredible act of tunnel vision, it has to be said. Stunning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Its no different to the same poster claiming Corbyn had fake concern for the Palestinians and never backing up that statement. Its their go-to insult, it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,728 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This conversation looks very familiar. Particularly for this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    There absolutely is. What was once a well-meaning, but ineffective, ecological party has become a home for cranks of all flavours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,424 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Speaking of the Greens, the new Reform UK policy is to deport migrants to Green-voting areas. It's petty, vindictive, vile and hopefully illegal.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Listen to Whately's opening gambit there, "These are hate marches calling for the end of Israel".

    That's an outright lie.

    This is the full interview below. It's littered with absolute junk from her. Apparently antisemitism has become "normalised" at dinner parties. 🙄

    Fair play to that interviewer, whoever he is, on challenging her gibberish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,728 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Whately's tone and premise was on full display across the UK media over the weekend.

    Trevor Phillips dismissing Zach Polanski's views on the marches on Sky News. Melanie Philips versus Mick Lynch also on Philip's show was even more vitriolic. Kemi Badenoch on Laura Kuenssberg on the BBC was almost the exact same as Whately here.

    It's all a consistent message to push a particular narrative above all else.

    The interviewer is Lewis Goodall, primarily of The News Agents, but who also has a Sunday morning show on LBC. He previously worked for the BBC and was targeted by Robbie Gibb (former director of communications to Theresa May) who was concerned that Goodall's work was damaging the BBC's perception of impartiality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,008 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The British establishment are all about protecting Zionism, not about protecting Jewish people. We're hearing hardcore Zionist narratives from the political class and the media. They're trying to 'do a Corbyn' on Polanski and portray him as the biggest anti-Semite / racist in Britain.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Notably however these marches have not been banned despite the UK govt supposedly being secretly controlled by Zionists 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    What a vile individual she is. I haven't watched the full show, but in these interactions she has added a total of nothing to the debate. That said, her performance demonstrates how strongly Zionism has penetrated British politics, in case it hadn't been already clear to everyone since Stormer and his backers hounded Corbyn out of the Labour leadership and then out of the Labour party.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Corbyn lost the leadership cause he failed miserably in two elections against a clownshow Conservative government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    In this respect, I find the Times cartoon where a crooked-nosed individual kicks a policeman in the head to be a bit of a conundrum.

    It has been suggested that the individual represents Polanski, while in reality it was a policeman who kicked the guy being arrested in the head. While the references seem clear, and I'm certainly not up to speed on events in the UK - I can't work out just what spin the cartoon is trying to put on events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,424 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    She's only gone and embarassed herself further:

    Badenoch defends wanting to ban pro-Palestine marches for spreading hate, but not Tommy Robinson ones

    Kemi Badenoch also used her Today interview to defend her argument that pro-Palestine marches should be banned because they platform antisemitism, but that marches organised by the far-right activist Tommy Robinson should be allowed.

    When it was put to Badenoch that the Robinson marches were a platform for anti-Muslim hate, Badenoch said that the marches were “different”, and that two Jewish men were killed at Heaton Park synagogue last year and that another two Jewish men were almost killed in Golders Green last week.

    When it was put to her that Muslims might feel threatened by some of the things said at a Robinson event, she insisted that the two sorts of marches were “not the same”.

    She went on:

    Criticism of religion is allowed in this country. We mustn’t mix the two things.

    I am talking about the attacks on Jews. It’s not the faith that’s being attacked, it’s the people.

    And I do have to ask, why is it that whenever we’re talking about Jewish hatred, we always have what about, what about?

    When something happens to black people, no one does the whataboutery. When something does happen to Muslims, we don’t say what about antisemitism?

    Why do we have this double standard that, whenever there’s an issue with antisemitism and Jews being attacked, we have to broaden it out all the time.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2026/may/05/keir-starmer-uk-antisemitism-summit-golders-green-terror-latest-news-updates

    Pretty blatant double standards, presumably with the aim of shoring up her right wing. Even Farage wants nothing to do with Yaxley-Lennon.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    he failed miserably in two elections

    Not so. in 2017, Labour under Corbyn increased its vote from 30.4% to 40%, and an increase of 30 seats.

    They certainly didn't do well in 2019, but it must be remembered that in the interval Corbyn had the Labour machine (McSweeny and Mandelson etc) working hard to undermine him, on top of which he had the misfortune to be outmanoeuvered by Johnson on the issue of Brexit given Labour's electorate was split on that issue. This meant that whichever side of Brexit Corbyn/Labour came down on they were going to lose votes.

    While Starmer's Labour won a huge parliamentary majority, the vagaries of the first past the post system allowed them to do so on half-a-million votes fewer than Labour under Corbyn received in 2019.

    I'm really interested to see the results of the local elections on Thursday, to find out whether Stormer has turned the Labour party into a complete dead duck now.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Seats matter, not votes. That is just how the UK system works and you have to adapt to it. And Corbyn was so easily outmanouevered on Brexit because it was clear he, himself, had no desire to stay in the EU and the moronic Lexiteers held considerable sway in his inner circle.

    You don't get to lose two elections in a row and stay as leader. There is nothing more complicated about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,424 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Most politicians are damned lucky if they get to lead a party into one election. Corbyn got two and blew it twice, catastrophically in the second instance.

    It's funny how people love to spout bile about Keir Starmer but it's Corbyn's fault that Labour is the way that it is. Had he won one of the two elections he contested against cartoonishly incompetent Tory incompetents, we'd have a much more left wing government.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,008 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The upshot seems to be that any Jewish person who goes off message and criticises Israel, Zionism, the Met etc and who claims that anti-Semitism is being weaponised is totally fair game to be savaged by the media and political class. They only want to hear from Jewish people in Britain who talk about the rise of anti-Semitism and who are silent on Israel, the genocide and war crimes. Anyone trying to link one event to the other is a persona non grata.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭midlander12


    New London showing Lab still 8% ahead of the Greens - I think the last one had them 4% ahead. It's a disastrous drop for them, of course, but still under FPTP they might retain more seats than expected. The poll was taken before the 'Polanski tweet' controversy.

    Post by @europeelects.bsky.social — Bluesky

    Europe Elects‪@europeelects.bsky.social‬FollowUK (London local elections), More in Common poll:LAB-S&D: 28% (-14)GPEW-G/EFA: 20% (+8)CON~ECR: 17% (-9)REFORM~NI: 15% (+15)LDEM-RE: 14%+/- vs. 2022 elections Fieldwork: 7-29 April 2026Sample size: 2,646



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