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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Father Ted, Black Books and The IT Crowd have all been forgotten about? What planet are you living on?



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    I see a lot on line where people have a personal go at GL. Whether it's about his divorce (how on earth is that a topic for putting someone down?) or his "failed" career. He was black balled in Britain. He now works with writing teams in Arizona, according to himself when he was on Joe Rogan's podcast.

    GL did get consumed into this Trans debate and has become an awful bore (imo),. But that can be said for a lot of people on both sides. You only have to look at Trans critical threads/ posts on this forum to see a couple of defenders of Trans rights posting constantly 24/7. Same posters have a pop at GL for the same thing.

    Sheesh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,893 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    100%.

    His intentions were honorable ie not drinking the koolaid that men can become women and vice versa but he went too far down the rabbit hole.

    Ultimately though, the majority of right thinking people are now not afraid to voice the their feelings and those feelings align with what GL has been voicing since day one.

    Unsurprisingly though, there are still a few, including some on this very thread, that continue to label him a bigot simply because he refuses to lie. And they have the lack of awareness to brand others as being hateful.

    Its remarkable to see it happen in real time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Graham's a very unsympathetic character in this debate, he does an awful lot of mean spirited and stupid things, but there is a question of how this case got so far. The facts don't add up to much here and it's pretty clear the complainant went to the event to harass people and be a nuisance.

    Yes, lets have a look at some of Sophie's best bits, pre the incident in question.


    These are very brave women aren't they, infiltrating these gender-critical groups whilst simultaneously living in fear. Had some people fooled at being something they're not but they were found out eventually. It always seems to be transwomen that are up for this kind of activism, you'd think it would be the men, the transman that would be more into it? Strange that, I wonder why that is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,893 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Transmen and imo transwomen, by and large, want to live their lives in peace and just exist, same as the rest of us. Sadly for them, they’ve been dragged into a row by a group of fetishists, aided and abetted by a larger group of idealogues who decry as a misogynist the likes of trump (before the usuals get their knickers in a twist, trump is an utter dirtbag) while at the same time championing a man in a dress walking bollock naked, literally, into a changing room for women.

    It

    Is

    Fuckin

    Mental



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭Polar wizard adventure


    Graham Linehan worked on, inter alia:

    I aM Alan Partridge

    Fast Show

    Big Train

    Armstrong & Miller

    Motherland

    IT Crowd

    Black Books

    Jam

    Brass Eye

    The Day Today

    Harry Enfield

    Garth Morenghi

    Little Britain

    Saturday night armistice

    He is a comedic genius, and it is a tragedy that he has been black balled from comedy. Ultimately (and already it is apparent) he will be seen as a martyr who sacrificed himself against demented mob. Personally I wish someone else had taken his stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    He'll be seen as a classic algorithm victim. Thats his legacy. He'll be studied in years to come.

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    And counting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He had nothing to do with a lot of those. Most of them have been forgotten about in any case.

    It's been decades since he displayed anything resembling genius.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Hes equally a victim of his own massive ego. Hes gone on to attack people hes worked with, everyone from Ardal O'Hanlon, Niall Hannon etc for not supporting his "cause". He doesn't care who he aligns himself with now as long as they stoke his ego and tell him what he wants to hear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He's not remotely a victim of anything. He's done this to himself. A lot of his former collaborators want nothing to do with him for good reason.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    All the legal issues, his wife packing him in, him being broke, years of medication and then he gets pissed off when others dont join in with him.

    As you say, ego. People have their own lives. Expecting everyone he knows to drop everything for him shows where his head is at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "Most of them have been forgotten about in any case."

    There's a certain truth in that, many were too funny to be acceptable in today's more illiberal world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They weren't. They either finished their runs or got cancelled because of a lack of viewers. Linehan wasn't involved in a lot of them either.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    The lad's a looper and as such, I feel sorry for him, the same as I do for people like Gemma O'Doherty.

    No one believes that a fella can put on a dress and magically become a woman, and those that say they believe it are performing for internet likes. But they're not hurting anyone, in 99% of cases they're not impacting on anyone else, and generally just want to crack on with life and be left alone, like the rest of us.

    No sane person thinks a man should be entitled to declare himself a chick and then be given the freedom to wander around women's changing rooms but really, these things are so rare in the real world (not the internet) that it's a sad, pretty mental thing to get so het up about that you knacker your career and lose your family.

    Sad all around



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Iirc, he did cowrite the first season of Motherland but wasn't involved in later seasons. Black Books was season 1 but it sort of hit its peak after that. Big Train was very much so a creation of his. Then there's the obvious creations of his on the list.

    But some others on the list are very much so random. Little Britain, he directed an episode and regardless it aged terribly. Plenty of them he was one of many writers involved. Garth Morenghi is legitimately one of the best surreal comedies going, the extent of Linehan's involvement was playing a porter. Similarly he had a pretty small role in an episode of Alan Partridge.

    I'd very much so regard him as a great comedy writer at one point. That was pretty much in decline by the point of Count Arthur Strong. True his public behavior, he's pretty much tarnished his legacy and destroyed both personal and professional. He's not gonna gain some reinvigorated career in the US and I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up making bad comedy for the daily wire or something. He's sort of a great example of somebody destroying his career via Twitter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    All of those things you say didn't happen much were being used as a reason legislation had to be changed etc in order to include those loons, there was also a push that if you called out these people as being loons you get cancelled or get brought on on discrimination charges.

    We had self identification being allowed to determine what dressing room you could use or what sporting category you could enter or you could enter women only groups based on self identifying as one.

    In a sane world you wouldn't have pre-pubescent children being put on puberty blockers because they said they were the other sex but that was also happening.

    There is a lecturer in Oxford university who goes to class wearing massive prosthetic breasts , in a more sane world he'd be told by the administration of the university that if he wants to practice his fetish at home fine but not in the university and if he refuses to comply and dress in an appropriate manner he's out of a job, because of the trans lunacy in the past decade you're now not allowed to stop bullshit like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've never heard of Motherland so can't comment on it either way. Little Britain was muck. Never seen Big Train either.

    Garth Marenghi is amazing but nobody watched it and Linehan had nothing to do with it aside from a miniscule role.

    As great as Father Ted was, it was made over three decades ago. Black Books was good but that was mainly Dylan Moran's project. The IT Crowd is also quite good in fairness.

    I just see another ugly bigot desperately trying to cling to relevance. The sad thing is that he's done this entirely to himself. Nobody made him do any of this and he's discarded his own career and his family for absolutely nothing. Grifters like Joe Rogan will just use him to make content and then discard him and he's too stupid to see it.

    Americans don't know what Father Ted is. You're right to say that he's not going to have a career over there.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Little Britain (TV Series 2003–2006) - Full cast & crew - IMDb

    Graham Linehan was involved with Little Britain which was very popular. It was 'cancelled' and censored on the BBC Player. Even some of those associated with it now feel the need to publicly apologise. We live in a modern type of Stalinism where comics have to recant their 'errors' to remain employable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭maik3n


    Maybe someone should ask Glinner, the so called defender of ''wominz and girlz'', about Renée Good again.
    See if his views have changed.
    He's also one of the few remaining staunch Genocide supporters, so its interesting that his so called support for ''wominz and girlz'' doesn't seem to extend to women and girls in Palestine.

    He really is a lost cause at this stage.
    His most recent public appearance outside of the Brooks harassment court case, was a post on twitter
    making fun of Zach Polanski and his long debunked hypno breasts thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    He directed an episode and it's a show that has aged terribly and was pretty awful at time too TBH. 😂 That's not modern stalinism, it's that public taste has drastically changed. Eg a modern Carry On movie probably would do awfully now too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭plodder


    He didn't cancel himself, and I think objectively he is a victim of heavy handed police actions and some appalling legal harrassment that he describes in a piece in the Telegraph today. He's been targeted by the be-kind brigade for some form of legal action continuously and still ongoing, for the last decade.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d468f34e40cee410

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Why are you replying to my post like I'm defending any of the above? I said it was daft. Did you not read what I said?

    I also said it's rare in the real world. How did you know about any of the examples you posted above? You didn't see them in real life, you probably read about them on twitter or whatever.

    To repeat myself, it's a strange thing to get so worked up about that you lose your career and your family. That fella needs to turn off his Internet for a week and go for a walk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    In your opinion.

    7.7 on IMDB

    83% on Rotten Tomatoes.

    It would point that your opinion is in the minority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭maik3n


    Sorry but H*LL no.
    He is 1000% the architect of his own downfall both personally and professionally.

    He took 1 milquetoast critique of trans representation in an IT Crowd episode and turned it into a vendetta against the trans community, all just to win internet points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Your post was implying that the people saying you could just identify as a woman weren't being taken seriously and it had no real world consequences, however they were being taken seriously by alot of institutions and decisions were being made in order to pander to them, so it was perfectly reasonable for people to be annoyed by it and want to stand up to such nonsense

    Post edited by Jack Daw on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭plodder


    I imagine Torquemada saying the same to the heretics he was condemning to burn at the stake.

    "You did this to yourself"

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I do admire certain posters commitment to pretending everything linehan was involved in wasnt popular and he wasn't really that involved and he wasnt really much of a success , must be great to live in such a fantasy world.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Plenty of people hated it even at the time of release. If it was released now, you'd likely have a much larger audience disliking it rather than liking it. That's not to say shows making questionable jokes is unacceptable btw eg It's Always Sunny is still going strong, Curb Your Enthusiasm frequently went into the controversial too.



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